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This is the smaller male water.My friend took the pics for his site. I only attempted this a few times ever but I got it down this time, pics arent the best.

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Is it like popping a snake? Just harder?
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Greg Holland
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To be gentle..

snakes are much easier. With a properly sized probe you can accurately sex them.

I agree with you 100% but I beleive the question he was looking for an answer to is **is it the same as popping a snake**. The answer is no if you never popped a monitor before then do not try. Same for the snakes you can hurt or in bad cases kill the animal because you were curious as to if you could do it.

TB
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Stop complaining about yesterday,after all yesterday will not get you to tomorrow!

WTF? What are you doing? Is that poop? What do you mean by popping? nuts.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. The idea behind popping is to cause pressure anterior to the hemipene, this causes the hemipene to evert.

In this picture, you see exactly the wrong way to approach this. I call that weanie pinching. His thumb is putting pressure on the hemipene, not behind it. If you look at the persons thumb, you see the nail is without blood and the joint is red. That indicates a bit of pressure. And its on the hemipene. If you look at the second pick, you can see how far down the tail the hemipene is stored.

Again, your suppose to increase the pressure, behind it, not pinch it in half. Oh my, I bet that hurt. F

The picture was taken after the hemipene was pressed gently upwards and after I was asked to hold for a few seconds to get the slow camera ready. Notice the thumb after being held for a minute and sore.
If thats weanie pinching then you better look at your old pics of you popping monitors, after all the thumb didnt start there it ended up there.
Weanie pinching- Making a premature comment before asking questions to clarify a situation therefore making yourself look like a weanie, yet we all do this once in a while. I dont do this much at all but the waters needed to be checked, I usually rely on identifying a natural eversion.

The amount of pressure being applied can cause serious damage to the animal that surgery won't fix. Believe it or not, you can kill a smaller animal by trying to pop it in the wrong way.
You should listen to people with more experience than you. Just think of all the people at home right now digging their thumbs into their monitors tail base.

The pic was taken after It was pressed gently upwards then held for a minute to ready the camera, if your gonna comment on it at least know what happened. If your gonna say thats not what happened then your calling 2 others on this forum and myself a liar they were there, and the funny thing is you werent there when it happened to be able to say so.
I always read what FR types and learn from him but as I said the comments were made from a picture taken after the thumb was held for a bit to ready the camera.

Its you sir that really needs to understand, that the viewer cannot know what happened before or after, we only know what is IN THE PICTURE.

So sir, its you that must learn to show pictures that reflect what you are thinking/saying. In all reality, what is in the picture, is what you are trying to say, that is the reason you show pics. So, if the picture, does not agree with what you say, then its your task to use a different picture, or change your words to match the picture.

If you show a pic of a person whos appling lots of pressure with their thumb at the base of the vent, then sir, thats exactly what you expressed. Also, if a pic looks like a fat monitor, then to the viewer, its a fat monitor. Those are the realities.

Also, please show a pic of me popping any monitor. In all the years I have been on the forums, I may have posted one pic of that. And it was not on this forum. So common, show it. F

Look at it this way.
If someone were to gently grab you by the base of your penis, then hand it over to someone who squeezed it till their hand turned white, would it hurt any less?
What if they gently raised your scrotum, then let someone else dig their thumb under it till the thumb turned white? Would that be okay?
Do what you like with your monitors, but don't represent that kind of treatment as acceptable.

That is gruesome. Would you like to be squeezed like that? (don't answer) What is the purpose of the "experiment"? You had better hope the Dr Megele of the lizard world doesn't get his hands on you.
I would refer you to a chapter of some monitor book: "In general it is best not to interfere with the genitals of your lizards".

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Mampam Conservation

..I think that might be the best picture of you I have seen yet.
Paul

its mengele for one, and to compare anyone to that sick sob is wrong, and trivializes what he did. for those who dont know he was a sick, sick man who worked for adolph hitler performing sadistic experiments on twin children in concentration camps. i think the comparison is a bit tasteless

Thanks for the pics Shvar. Very relevent for me as my water popped tonight. Almost exactly like the second pic, but not as large. Not sure what to make of it.
Thanks,
Mike

I mean I understand you guys just show it to learn how it looks, etc. But, geez, do you have to show so many example pictures just to make the same point visible?

I don't know if that sort of thing should even be shown. Lizard testicles yuck! I just lost my appetite for the next day or so.

if you ever see your monitor evert a testicle, you haven't squeezed it too hard...

... you've driven over it.

"if you ever see your monitor evert a testicle, you haven't squeezed it too hard...

... you've driven over it."

I believe a better rephrase would be: "if you ever see your monitor evert a testicle, not only have you squeezed it too hard...

...you've driven over it."

Anyways, I wouldn't know as I don't breed monitors nor do I do much research in sexing monitors. All I really care for is keeping him healthy and happy. Knowing the monitor's sex is the least I would worry about, it can be a male or a female for all it matters.

Everts on its own. Remember happy healthy females produce eggs...

part of keeping a happy healthy monitor may be knowing what gender it is, just in case it turns out to be female and needs someplace to lay its unfertilised eggs.

SHvar has had first hand experience with a happy, healthy, 'pet' male monitor suddenly became eggbound and required emergency surgery to save its life.

I'm not condoning trying to 'pop' your monitor's hemipenes or hemiclitori, I am simply countering the 'I don't care what sex it is, I just want to keep it happy' sentiment.

I sense something fishy happening

First of all DK, I've never seen you before un til the middle of the argument about showing the pictures. You jump in proclaiming that SHvar is "first hand experience with a happy, 'pet' male monitor suddenly became eggbound and required emergency surgery to save its life." Who are you, his mother. You even sound like him, in a written sense of course.

There are other people here that I havent seen before as well. Sexing the monitor lizard is not much of a matter nor is it

even required if youre not intending to breed or maybe sell monitor lizards. It is optional to sex it, not a must. Ever read sexing as a requirement for good monitor health?

Yeah, probably from some people like SHvar who thinks they are professional monitor keepers that knows it all, if he was he wouldnt be online everyday trying to impress people with his knowledge.

Conspiracy going on here lol.

if you've never seen me before, you're either new or not paying attention. As I haven't seen you before, I gather it's a bit of both.

that's beside the point. What argument?

'Ever read sexing as a requirement for good monitor health?'

Tell this monitor it doesn't matter if it's male or female.

Female monitors develop ova, which without fertilization and nesting can have a severe effect on health. Egg binding, ovarian cancer, toxic yolk syndrome...

Now destroying a monitors reproductive system by trying to find out what sex it is, is somewhat self defeating and probably even more stupid than not knowing and thinking it has no effect on health.

--Robert

Interesting, another example of a comment completely based from one post etc.

"irst of all DK, I've never seen you before un til the middle of the argument about showing the pictures. You jump in proclaiming that SHvar is "first hand experience with a happy, 'pet' male monitor suddenly became eggbound and required emergency surgery to save its life." Who are you, his mother. You even sound like him, in a written sense of course. "

1)Ive never seen you here period yet you make this comment to someone who posts here and has done so for more than a few years. And actually DK and I dont get along that well as a matter of fact disagree alot. If you dont know we live almost opposite ends of the earth.
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There are other people here that I havent seen before as well. Sexing the monitor lizard is not much of a matter nor is it

even required if youre not intending to breed or maybe sell monitor lizards. It is optional to sex it, not a must. Ever read sexing as a requirement for good monitor health?

Yeah, probably from some people like SHvar who thinks they are professional monitor keepers that knows it all, if he was he wouldnt be online everyday trying to impress people with his knowledge. "

2) Obviously you dont know myself or this situation very well. I have never claimed to be an expert nor do I get paid to do a hobby that I spent 12 years of my time and lots of money with no regrets doing. If I was a pro Id be getting paid for it. If your looking for trouble go find a fight or insult room on a chat service, thats not why some of us are here, we are here about our monitors. I come on these forums when I get a chance to help others or to learn, I could care less who is impressed or not, if you really think those comments of yours are true, you need to get a life.

tell a male monitor from a female when they evert, or who see an eversion and might think a female is a male, this is to help. Ive got more pics from others available, if your up to it. Thats 2 pics from one species, Ive got pics from 3 species, Albig, bosc, water. Thats a hemipene not a testicle, those are inside the animals abdomin.

I understand SHvar, I'm just saying, one example is all people really need and some simple instructions. I'm just hoping people here won't look at it and say, hey! That looks interesting, I've never done it before. Why don't I take a shot at it! I believe there are some kids in here that come here to show off their pets, see other people's animals, and talk about them, I doubt their parents give them permission to come here to watch pictures of lizard's hemipenes.

I'm not going to argue further about this issue, to tell you the truth, I don't really care much for this, I just want you to understand my point of view before you take it the wrong way and take it personally.

(Watching Doug and Carrey)

James

lol,just thought id add that
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see yah laterz people
jason

I dont sell any animals and havent shipped any to anyone but a friend of mine may have. I just raise them, its a hobby for me. Might have me mistaken for someone else.

everting,natural eversionbig purple sweety hahahahahahha,so yeah u never sent me a nile just a picsorry lol
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see yah laterz people
jason