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Man i got a grumpy one..........

RedQuake Feb 02, 2004 10:09 PM

Well i finished doing my rounds and feeding everyone. I'll have to take some new pics of the 40 gal to post cause i moved some of the humid hides around. After finishing with the girls i washed up and started with the boys. Boo still hasn't been eating much which is fine, he's active, even right now he's wandering around. But upon going to feed Bronx (Blizzard) i got a nasty bite. With the girls i'm now handling them alot more and hand feeding. I let them lick calcium from my finger and i tried this with Bronx. He licked and was all calm and then out of the blue he just up and bit me. He then proceeded to run around screaming and trying to get me again... He's very misrable!!!

Also, i took Boo out later on tonight and was handling within eye shot of Bronx. They both looked at eachother but there was no tail wagging or any display from either one. Is this weird??? I'm now sure both are male, they have huge bulges and the V marks. I had expected there to be some reaction to them seeing eachother but there was nothing. Boo isn't fond of being held so he went back into his tank and the only thing Bronx did was climb up on top of his hide and sit there for a while.

I'm pretty sure no matter what i do Bronx will never calm down......ijust hope he's not this nasty to the girls as he is with me.

Red
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Crested Gecko Zeek:1.0
LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

Replies (4)

Andrea_A Feb 03, 2004 02:19 PM

You've probably heard it before, but letting him lick the calcium off your finger was probably setting him up. Then after he bit you, you probably jumped (who wouldn't?). That scared him so he went into hyper-alert SCARE IT AWAY mode ("it" being your hand or maybe all of you). Even though you can let some leopard geckos lick calcium directly off your fingsr and its fine, its still not a good idea ... as you found out. I'd suggest washing your hands well before handling Bronx, as the smell of females (or males even moreso)may entice him to behave ... ungentlemanly towards you.

Some leos don't react to seeing other males the same way they do when they can smell them. Seeing the other leo through the glass probably didn't register as 'red alert another male nearby'. Until Bronx is more used to being handled though I would strongly suggest not doing stuff that might provoke him - such as holding him up to a tank with another male. No fair!

Red, I enjoy your posts and appreciate the way you're really open about your leos and how they're doing. It gives me the feeling that I kind of know them which is cool. Don't give up on getting Bronx to settle down. He may always be a little jumpy, some leos just are. You can help him by being persistant. Progress maybe slow, but I'm sure you will see progress if you keep it up .. and the calmer he gets the less time he'll spend freaking out. Remember males in particular can live into their 20s so just keep plugging away!

Also when Bronx went back into his cage after seeing Boo, he was on his hide awhile. If he was looking tall, sort of stretching up and looking around, that's a behavior you see when a male is aware of BEING male .. I don't quite know how else to put it.

Good luck with your critters, and please keep posting!
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Andrea A.

RedQuake Feb 03, 2004 03:09 PM

Your right, it wasn't the brightest of things to do knowing that this gecko is a biter. I thought it would be worth a try since geckos, at least mine, lick me everytime i put my hand near (referring to all except Bronx). Putting the bit of calcium there seemed ok since the girls just lick it off. Putting a mealie in front of their face every time i handle them is what i thought inappropriate cause then they would think handling=food. I didn't think they would believe calcium itself to be food without the mealworm to go along with it LOL.

I need to do a correction.....i'm not sure if i wrote this wrong the first time, but it was Boo (the non biter) who i had out and i was at my computer desk which is kitty corner to the gecko unit and the guys tanks. Bronx could see Boo from his tank so next time i'll take Boo to the other side of the room I only turned Boo so he could see Bronx to see if either would wag their tails.

As for washing, i do, even between handling the girls. (((my hands are so raw they bleed, i wash alot at home and at work)))
I had washed after being in Boos tank before going to Bronx.

Bronx has always been agressive. If i even walk past his tank theres been times he'll jump out of his hide and try to get me through the glass.... I'm not exactly sure how to calm him. Offering a mealie usually results in a screaming session and besides, i don't want him thinking my hand means food either. I don't really care if he doesn't settle, i'm ok with him being uptight but i'd like to be able to clean out his tank or put in food without him coming at me to bite LOL

Red

>>You've probably heard it before, but letting him lick the calcium off your finger was probably setting him up. Then after he bit you, you probably jumped (who wouldn't?). That scared him so he went into hyper-alert SCARE IT AWAY mode ("it" being your hand or maybe all of you). Even though you can let some leopard geckos lick calcium directly off your fingsr and its fine, its still not a good idea ... as you found out. I'd suggest washing your hands well before handling Bronx, as the smell of females (or males even moreso)may entice him to behave ... ungentlemanly towards you.
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>>Some leos don't react to seeing other males the same way they do when they can smell them. Seeing the other leo through the glass probably didn't register as 'red alert another male nearby'. Until Bronx is more used to being handled though I would strongly suggest not doing stuff that might provoke him - such as holding him up to a tank with another male. No fair!
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>>Red, I enjoy your posts and appreciate the way you're really open about your leos and how they're doing. It gives me the feeling that I kind of know them which is cool. Don't give up on getting Bronx to settle down. He may always be a little jumpy, some leos just are. You can help him by being persistant. Progress maybe slow, but I'm sure you will see progress if you keep it up .. and the calmer he gets the less time he'll spend freaking out. Remember males in particular can live into their 20s so just keep plugging away!
>>
>>Also when Bronx went back into his cage after seeing Boo, he was on his hide awhile. If he was looking tall, sort of stretching up and looking around, that's a behavior you see when a male is aware of BEING male .. I don't quite know how else to put it.
>>
>>Good luck with your critters, and please keep posting!
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>>Andrea A.
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Crested Gecko Zeek:1.0
LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

Andrea_A Feb 03, 2004 06:33 PM

When replying to a post I'm usually aware that many people other than the original poster will read it. I do believe you have a strong foundation with your leos, are an excellent leopard gecko owner, and did not mean to imply anything otherwise. Sometimes when posting things come across differently than the poster had in mind .. and this is a case in point.

Seriously, don't give up on him .. just have loads of patience over the long term. I have 3 sub adults from last year that are hyper as all get out - they freak out easily and don't calm down for quite some time. They are getting better, but its little by little. If I didn't remember the extreme degree to which they used to freak out, I'd probably not realize how much they've improved (and they have, though they are still my most skittish leos).

I wish these particular ones were a lot calmer because a large focus of my breeding attempts is promoting that well known docile leopard gecko temperment. This is why my domain is called: http://www.friendlylizard.com

These three are all from the same gorgeous super-hypo father .. who is also hyper at 2.5 years of age. He too has calmed down somewhat, and doesn't attempt to bite, but I'm hoping he'll chill out a lot more over time. Also I"m having to consider the female's calmness in addition to her appearance in the hopes that the offspring will be calmer than pop.

Again, good luck and I do enjoy your posts!
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Andrea A.

RedQuake Feb 03, 2004 09:53 PM

I did not imply anything bad when i replied. I'm sorry that it did. I am a bit freaked out now though. I would really like to breed my blizzard pair but passing on the not very nice attitude is not something i'd really like to do. The female is very docile and i'm concerned he might hurt her too. If she beefs up and ends up larger than him would that help, or should i just wait until both are at least 2 years old to breed? Hopefully with time Bronx will calm down, he's the only one that acts this way.
I like your site, you have amazing geckos I never liked the look of albinos, but now that i have one, i want more hehe.

Red
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Crested Gecko Zeek:1.0
LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

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