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Instead of all sand some sand and repti cage carpet?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

Many others and I (although this doesn't seem to be the consensus in this forum) use large river gravel for substrate. once you know where they mainly "relieve" themselves I put down a paper towel or something there.

why are you stuck on this sand thing? you asked our opinions, now you can take it or leave it. but honestly take it from someone who knows, specially if you just have a juvi... i have an ADULT and had him on paper towel until he was full grown and then sand, he ended up impacted. it's nothing you want to deal with.

like we've all said it's your tank, your leo.. do as you will but you know the warnings. we can't make you put something in the bottom you don't want. good luck either way.

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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

Look< forget about the sand....... It is not good for your leo and it is a big risk to take...... I will not point a finger here, but, do not listen to any idiot that feels sand is ok or natural for a leo...... The do not live in deserts...... They live in dry scrub lands with lots fo rocky outcrops....... Sand is no good at all....... Do you want your leo to live or die in your care???? If you want it to live a long healthy life, use paper towels as a substrate....... You can even put a few rocks in there to hold the paper towels down and give it a somewhat natural look...... Just dont use alot of rocks or anything that can tip or fall on your leo...... Just get rid of the sand idea because it is stupid.....

haha. here we go again lol
(*shakes finger*) i thought we said we were going to try this being nice thing haha jk.

he is right. listen to him. sand is not good for leo's. SPECIALLY juvi's!!!!!!

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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I was being nice..... I think...... LOL

*hands you a prozac* k now try again lol.. joke.

i was on the verge of saying it.. but i thought i'd have let you do it instead..

*shakes head*
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

what happened to it being gradeschool to revert to namecalling?......
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

sometimes we all mend problems.. and stop acting like children.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I wasn't acting like a child...I was wondering why he was resorting back to what he called childlike behavior after he reamed everyone else out for doing it to him.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

i wasn't saying you. he wasn't calling anyone names.
he just states his opinion a little more bluntly then the rest of us.. nothing we can do about it.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I believe he was refering to me when he said any idiot...and was calling my opinion stupid...I'm pretty sure he was directing those comments towards me
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

oh...and as far as sand not being natural........

J. A. Anderson's "A report
on the gecko Teratolepis fasciata (Blyth, 1853) from The Journal
Bombay Natural History Society from 1964. The collection
site was a deserted cemetery at Raj Malk, district Thatta on the
western edge of the Indus delta in Pakistan. "The terrain is flat with
an average elevation of less than 10 ft. above sea level. The soil is
loose, grey sand and silt. The area is affected by salinity. The
dominant vegetation is desert scrub, particularly Salsola foetida and
grasses. Two lakes lie alongside the site."..."Loose bricks...lie
scattered all over the ground intermixed with larger stone slabs...A
programme of mechanized cultivation is under way all around the site."
"Holes of small gerbilles are numerous and the terrain around the
walled-in square is uneven and colonized by the brush-tailed Meriones
hurrianae."
A large variety of herps are found in this study site. Teratolepis
fasciata and Eublepharis macularius, of course, as well as (partial
list):
Hemidactylus brooki, H. persicus, H. flaviviridus, Mabuya macularia,
Acanthodactylus cantori, Calotes versicolor, Agama agilis,
Spalaerosophis diadema, Natrix piscator, Naja naja, Vipera russelii,
Echis carinata, Bufo andersoni, and Rana tigrina.

Szczerbak and Golubev (1996) say that E. macularius lives..."on
clay-gravel soil covered by sand and abounding in bushes of
Zygophyllum." They also mention that the closely related E.
turcmenicus was found near areas with abundant rodent burrows.

I don't see how you can argue against people who SAW THEM LIVING THERE....The key is they don't eat on sand and they don't lick it a lot purposefully....I don't want to get into it again...so I'm not going to bother to respond to any negative responses...
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

So if they live on sand, there gonna travel off to a non sandy area to eat?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

its not entirely sand...the one description notes there being rocks and bricks and stuff all over. They hunt on top of rocks or dry riverbeds and things like that where it is a hard surface.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

Yes i read that but dont you think that some will hunt for it on sand?

Are bearded dragons anything like leopard geckos?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

I don't really know anything about beardies...but I don't think most wild geckos hunt on sand...I think its easier for them to see things on hard flat surfaces, and they get better footing that way as well to pounce.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

I said some not all.

If a hungrey gecko sees food it wont care where it is.
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

oh I'm sure if it saw something and was hungry...but I dont' think many would purposefully hunt on sand
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

oh also, the sand there is EXTREMELY fine and dusty...making it less likely to cause impaction. It's probably more fine than anything we have comercially available here actually...which I guess could be a problem using sand if the geckos eat it.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

yes but if they get a small amount couldnt they get it out by going to the bathroom?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

Also what if the food item has sand on it or theres sand in the geckos eye and they lick it?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

Like I said...the sand in their natural habitat is extremely fine and dusty...the small amounts they probably injest most likely don't hurt them. Also, leos don't lick their eyes...they have eyelids. Also, leos in tanks with small amounts of sand shouldn't have sand on thier food, b/c thier food shouldn't be in the sand. Tiny amounts may get tracked around a little, and maybe even a little in the water or smt...but that should only be minute amounts and I don't think that would hurt them.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

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a small amount is all i thought astrid was getting. they will continue to consume it when eating crix. they don't care whether or not a crix is on sand or not, if they are hungry they will go for them. you will most likley notice your leo *SPECIALLY JUVIS* will end up not going to the bathroom at all, you will continue to feed them.. they will eventually die.. if not caught soon enough like i was lucky to catch.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

What about cutting legs off crickets and feeding in a bowl?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

personally i have a feeling you are going to do sand either way. no matter what we say you are already being stuborn in our answers and you want sand. do sand. we have given you the warning that it is not safe. i have told you my story of using sand as my leo was a adult and what it resulted in. food in a dish is an option, however the leo can still lick the sand, specially if it's not something they are used to.

do as you please, just keep in mind about 95% of people on this site has warned you against it. and healing an impected leo is not a fun task.

good luck either way.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I don't use crickets for a reason...the 2 that I keep in my 20L with a small amount of sand at one end only get fed things in a dish that is far from the sand...the only way they would injest sand would be if they licked it for calcium...and I provided a dish with calcium. If I saw any sand in thier stool or observed them licking the sand, it would be removed immediately...but I haven't seen any of that. I just don't feel its a danger to them if they just use it as a bathroom area...which is all mine do. The only other thing I've seen them do in that area is climb at the wall a little.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

again it's your choice.. at least your whole tank isn't covered. however you are a lucky one. i'm stating this guy is trying to convince the forum and himself it's ok to use sand. he's already made up his mind.. there is obviously no way of changing his mind.. in my mind the conversation is over on that he wants to use sand.

you my dear lucked out.. the rest of us.. however at one point has not

anyways.. yah lol i'm at work trying to hide my net usage.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

Im gonna switch and do what StinaUIUC does. ALL my pets are on the cage carpet and it looks plain but if its better for the geck then im gonna use it.
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

i use green astro turf you can buy it in brown to look more natural. good luck either way.

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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

WOW the background makes it look better. ill have to get a background too.
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

I didn't say that its better for them to use a small amount of sand...I just don't think that it's unsafe if you use it carefully. If you do decide to use an area of sand in your tank, make sure to keep an eye on the leos stool, and make sure it doesn't lick at it or eat on it. And if its a small juvie, don't put it on sand at all.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

Small as in 2-3 inches?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

I would say any smaller than 30g should be kept of sand alltogether.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

30 Grams how did you weigh grams?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

a baby leo should never be put on sand. how big is your leo.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

if you want to achieve a sand like look you can use construction paper. Either use it plain or crumple it up really really well so it gets soft, and then flatten it out.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

my leo is about 2-3 inches
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

this is where i'm going to tell you what to do. DO NOT USE SAND.
again it's your choice.. but he is WAY to small for sand and to even try to digest it if it did eat it.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

Ohhh im gonna go put down some paper towels down!!!!!
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

i wouldn't think about putting a leo on sand until he's at least 8 inches.. full grown is about 10 inches.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I agree with breathingbywires...too small for sand!
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

He's on packing paper (brown so it looks cool!)
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

lol...good choice...looks a lot better than paper towels doesn't it! You might want to scrunch it up real good until its soft so that your little one can get a better grip when it's movin' around.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

okay ill try it. Thank you all. if it wasnt for you the poor guy would be suffering in a few years.
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

as food ive got

crickets(dusted), mealworms, and soon wax worms (I know there high in fat so i will not give them to her/him everyday)
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

wax worms as a treat. like maybe i give mine like 3 every two weeks.

mealies and crix are the best for them.

good luck with your little guy
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

Thanks can i tell if its a boy or girl now or is it two early?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

too early
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

too early unless you really know what you are looking for.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

mealies and crickets are great! Although some people have started to steer clear of crickets b/c they can carry parasites. I personally don't use crickets b/c I think they're a pain!...lol Be sure to only give the waxies once a week or less...some leos can get hooked on them and then refuse to eat anything else!
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

im gonna stick with the mealworms. he like them.

I know this is a myth but can they chew out of a lizards stomach?
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

no they can't do that...just an old wives tale
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

Ohhh okay. (Btw he gust ate a mealworn and a cricket)
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

You should know my style alittle better by now...... I dont pull punches or beat around the bush....... If I was refering to just you, trust me, I would have said your name...... And I dont care whos book or papers you read...... The fact is leos get impacted in captivity from sand in a cage with them...... You think they wont lick sand for cal. even with a dish of it???? They will get it where ever they find it....... Now that that is cleared up...... I am sorry if you took me the wrong way especialy when I am pretty straight foward...... This kid is gonna put his leo on sand no matter what...... I say go and do it and dont come back here crying your eyes out because your leo dropped dead..... The people who know better told you not to use it but it seems you dont want to listen...... So go ahead and kill your gecko.....

first of all if you cared to have read any of these posts, this guys leo is NOT going on sand...we told him not to put it on sand especially b/c it is very young. Also, I mentioned that I will immediately remove the sand from the one tank I have it in (only a sixth of it is sand...and basically all they do there is go to the bathroom...) if I saw them licking it, or if I saw any sand in the stool.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

Who is "we"???? As far as I knew you are an advocate for sand...... You still insist it is natural...... And also the problem with impaction is, most of the time you wont see it in its poop because it does not pass through....... The thing is an adult leo can be on sand for years without any signs of impaction...... I know of a few cases where the leos are on sand their whole life and all of a sudden like 3 to 6 years later they start loosing weight and then die...... All with no signs of being impacted in the first place...... I did the necro on two of these cases and found SAND in the gut and lower intestin...... Yes there was a cal dish for ALL of them and they did poop normaly until the start of the end....... So what does this tell you??????? Have you learned anything???? Well this tells me that impactions do not have to cause sudden death and there are no signs of it sometimes until it is too late....... You think it is a natural substrate and I know for a fact it is not....... Too bad for you I am not the only one that knows this info........ Have fun trying to keep your leos alive after they have been impacted.......

Your coming off as a real idiot! I swiched my WHOLE tank two brown boxing paper! There IS NO MORE SAND!!!
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My Ball and Corn rule
Boda 3' normal ball
Snow 15" Snow corn

*throws hands in the air*
oh god here we go again. lol
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~Kayla
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

Just watch who you call an idiot...... My way of saying things may not be as ummmmmmmm polite as most others (sorry I dont beat around the bush) but I have a very wide knowledge of reptile and have been keeping and breeding for over 20 years....... Infact I have a degree in herpetology...... I also worked in 2 reptile houses..... The fact is none of you really have a clue about me, what I have seen, and where I have been....... Maybe I do come off as an ass sometimes but I think I was attacked first here....... I am sorry for not reading all the way through but Stina wrote a bunch of non-sence that I had to skip through so my brain did not numb up........ I am glad you took the advice of more knowledgable, eperianced keepers in the forum....... Again I was wrong for not reading all the post and when I am wrong I am wrong........ Just keep the name calling to a minimum.......

haha.

can we start this thread near the top please!!!

now kids don't make me send you to seperate rooms
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~Kayla
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

All I want to say here...is that thier natural habitat is a hard packed clay/soil layer, with extremely fine dusty sand on top and rocks all over the place...go up to the newer post about their natural habitat. I even made the point of mentioning that its probably much more fine than anything we have comercially available here and that that's probably one of the problems with using sand. btw...when were you attacked?...I never attacked you in this thread...and just so you know, I was one of the ones to tell him not to use sand in the end b/c the leo is very young and small. I don't think there is anything wrong or unsafe with the way I am keeping my geckos...if you think I'm wrong fine...go ahead and think that, you're welcome to your opinion...I just don't particularly want it pushed on me anymore...I did my research and came to my own conclusions...you don't like them...that's just too bad, you're not going to change my mind.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)