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Are they a proven morph and if so can someone send/post a picture of theirs to me preferabbly an adult male. I have a WC adult pastel male that look different then any other pastel i have seen. Also if they are genetic what is the going price for babies male/female.

Thanks Alot
Aaron Luxenberg

I added a picture of him unfortunately the picture doesnt do him justice he has alot more yelow in him then the picture shows. He is alot brighter also.

...except lots of people tell jokes about how stupid they are.

There are just as many jokes about "natural" Blonde Pastels as there are about "fake" Blonde Pastels.

The most common subjects of these jokes involve Blonde, Brunette and Red-Headed Pastels.

If you ever hear a joke about a Blonde Pastel not wanting to buy anyone a drink, let the person know that they've got this Pastel mixed-up with the Scottish Pastel...another frequent subject of jokes.

Did you not see them @ the Valley Forge Show? They were on Brian Sharp's table. I also believe Tracy has them too. They are very nice looking.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

Are you serious?!

>>Did you not see them @ the Valley Forge Show? They were on Brian Sharp's table. I also believe Tracy has them too. They are very nice looking.
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>>RicK @ BbI
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>> Ball Boutique,Inc.
>>The home of the singing snakes!
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- Joel Smith

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np

yes. Ask him. He had them on his table and that is what he was selling.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

This is not directed at you, but at w/c snakes in general.

I always see people posting pics of their new "X" ball python and then they go on to say it is w/c.
How can people label an animal as anything other than a w/c ball python when the genetics have not been proven?
What happens if the clutch is full of normal looking balls? Kinda takes away from the idea of calling the w/c ball a "X" now doesn't it? Granted, it might be a recessive trait and one would have to wait until the offspring are bred together and see what they look like.
What makes a morph a morph? I guess that depends on demand for the animal.
Your snake (if I may us the one in the pic as an example) WILL pass on the genetic makeup it has. Part of that will be color, it will pass on pattern and the reset will be a make up of different traits the snake carries (for this though, I am speaking of color and pattern).
Does that in itself make a 'morph'? Will the price be higher on that particular animal because it passed on a lighter color such as yours?

Just a few questions I thought would be neat to hear some feedback on.
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Brian Oakley
Phoenix, Arizona
BrianOakley@cox.net

Brian,
Here is how i look at it, if the babies hatch out alot lighter then a normal pastel, such as the father with no orange and only yellow i would consider them something different and would consider selling the babies for a higher price. Obviously if they come out like normal pastels i wouldnt want to pass them off as somethign special. Hope this answers your questions.

Aaron

Actually it didn't answer any of the questons I had.
1. Who says it is a Pastel (I am not saying it isn't either), but I can say I have seen balls that look like that and they were just good old Balls.
2. What makeds a morph a morph? All traits that any living being has is genetic, so what decides which get a higher value?

Just looking to see where you are coming from.
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Brian Oakley
Phoenix, Arizona
BrianOakley@cox.net

why do people take their w/c balls and label them as "X", in your case a pastel?
In order for something to be a "X" ball, it has to be proven genetic. What happens if it turns out to be nothing? Then what happens to the name you have been calling it?
My point is, why don't people just leave it as a w/c ball until they breed it and see what is what (refer back to my original post about genetics).
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Brian Oakley
Phoenix, Arizona
BrianOakley@cox.net

Brian,

why do people take their w/c balls and label them as "X", in your case a pastel?
In order for something to be a "X" ball, it has to be proven genetic. What happens if it turns out to be nothing? Then what happens to the name you have been calling it?
My point is, why don't people just leave it as a w/c ball until they breed it and see what is what (refer back to my original post about genetics).

Since the people who sell them know they can sell them. All the morph Ball pythons you see today were a chance alot have been proven to be genetic, but most are proven out or atleast proven throught selective breeding, sich as Granites and Classic Jungles. I will be going out on a limb next year i am gonna get a pair of CH import reduced pattern ball pythons in i dont care what they turn out to be i like them since they are amazing animals. hope you understand

Aaron

Brian I hope this helps.

1. Who says it is a Pastel (I am not saying it isn't either), but I can say I have seen balls that look like that and they were just good old Balls.
1)When i bought it i checked for all the signs, light green eyes, patternless belly, and if you saw it in person you would understand. know i took a risk getting it, but if i didnt who would i would rather take the chance and have an amazing snake then not have gotten it and someone else produces somethign amazing.
2. What makeds a morph a morph? All traits that any living being has is genetic, so what decides which get a higher value?
2) how i look at the value question, i take something my dad said once."its only worth what someone is willing to pay for it" i like the animal int he first place, the money is important, but if i didnt like the animal then i wouldnt be able to keep it.

Aaron

Blonde pastels are simply another proven bloodline of pastels, they seem to avererage a little nicer than the other lines though, some blondes have no orange at all and are instead an intense yellow color. they are more expensive than the more common lines at this point. I produced 10 blondes this year and all were above average for pastels and many were amazing. this pic is one of my babies from this year, it is representative of most of them, though there were a few that were better, its the only pic I have on hand at the moment,

Nick

Inland Empire Reptile Breeders

Nick,
For some reason your picture didnt work for me, but the description you gave about no orange and only an intense yellow describes my male perfectly. What do you think of mine? Also i wouldnt know if i am asking to much, but what did you sell your blondes for? if i crossed a line be sure to let me know. thanks for the response.

Aaron

I will have to say that his are much different than yours and have more characteristics/traits of what people look for in pastels other than just color.
I am only giving my opinion, but yours is just a lighter colored animal that I seen quite a bit in the many years I have been with snakes.
Again, I am NOT here to bust your ba!!s, I am just telling it like I see it.
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Brian Oakley
Phoenix, Arizona
BrianOakley@cox.net

Adam from millennium morphs or Brian Sharp can give you all the background on the Blonde Pastels you want. Here is a picture of my Blonde that is a True and Verifiable Blonde.

Bryan

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I can see the roots from here...

I'm just stating the differences in my animals, nothing more.I know what some people advertise Blondes for, I myself don't see the "major" difference other then retaining the light yellow throughout the animals pattern and I myself don't feel this is a trait that justifies the higher prices. I feel a truly beautiful Graziani Pastel is worth the same as a truly beautiful Blonde Pastel ( like the male I purchased from Mark Mandic he is my favorite pastel ) But again these are just my thoughts. As far as the bloodlines I got my information from both Adam and Brian.

Bryan

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Mark Mandic is my favorite Pastel too...

The only question I have about Mark is..."real" or "from a bottle"...???

LOL...

He is real, people as good as Mark dont come in a bottle, otherwise we wouldnt have all these a$$'s in the world!

Bryan

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