Reptile & Amphibian Forums

I'm trying to leard how to tell them apart.

Thanks.
-----
Check Out My Albums

1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

Instead of an orange/tan background color, a Miami will have a gray/silver background color. The blotches will be red/maroon on both types.
-----
alstiver@hotmail.com

Current snakes:
1.0 2001 Hypo snow cornsnake
0.1 2002 Pastel Ghost cornsnake
1.1 2002 Bloodred cornsnakes
To be added when it gets warmer:
0.1 1998 Het Hypo, Het Caramel cornsnake
1.0 2000 Hypo Het Caramel cornsnake

.
-----
Check Out My Albums

1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

Just to clarify on the previous response: Miami is normal, but with a silver background as opposed to the Okeetee area normals who have the orange background.
-----
Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
6.7 Cornsnakes
1.3 Cats
0.1 Child
IcedGoddess Creations
Castle Serpents

Just to be clear, are you saying that there's miami normal and then there's okeetee normal - but not just a normal?

Please bear with me, I'm really trying to get this.

Thanks.
-----
Check Out My Albums

1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

>Just to be clear, are you saying that there's miami normal and then there's okeetee normal - but not just a normal?

I think "normal" is getting an abnormal workout here.

"Normal" is often defined as meaning found in the wild. The first amelainistic corn was found in the wild. Does that make it normal? Not to me.

Let's define a normal corn snake as the sort of corn that is most commonly found over most of the range. The color is reddish brown with orange red blotches which are surrounded by a black edge. If necessary, we could go one for a few thousand more words.

Miami phase is like the normal except that the miami lacks red in the ground color, which can be various shades of gray.

Okeetee phase is like the normal except Okeetee has an unusually bright orange red ground color with an unusually wide black edging to the dorsal blotches.

Both Okeetee and Miami phases are found in relatively restricted areas of the corn snake's total range. The differences in color and the relatively restricted ranges are what set Okeetee and Miami phases off from the normal corn snake. I'd call them local variants rather than normals.

Clear as mud?

Paul Hollander

I'm no "expert" on corns, but am very knowledgeable about genetics. Here's the test:

1) "normal" = STANDARD, what one would expect to find in a wild state.
2) "morph" = Any phenotypic variant of a species, OR LOCAL SUBSPECIES, who is physically distinguishable from a "normal" though capable of interbreeding with them.

I haven't bred any corns before, so can't be sure of their genetic properties. But, I would assert from what little I DO know that "Miami" and "Okeetee" are, technically, MORPHS!

That's what I was thinking - that's why I've been so confused.
-----
Check Out My Albums

1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

Okeetee (another variation of normal)...see the difference?

.
-----
Check Out My Albums

1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

Who produced this miami? It's outstanding.