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Need a little help here. I have a new dragon just diagnosed with tape, pin worms and the big C word. He's had his three doses of albon but I forgot how to dose with the panacur for the worms. Typically for dogs its three days on then the same schedule again in three weeks. I think its different for dragons but I lost my papers on the dosage. The vet is not a reptile vet so I thought I would come to the forum for the answer. Can anyone out there help????
Take care,
Karen

Is dosed once and repeated in two weeks and sometimes repeated a third time in another two weeks. I am unsure what your question is about Albon. What are you asking? What is your vet treating the tapeworms with? Neither Panacur nor Albon will kill tapes. You need Droncit or Cestex.
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Stacey

First off, thank-you very much for your response.
I'm ok on the albon. Sorry my post was confusing. I'm following the recommended schedule from the reptile room, (CheriS)
I'm so glad you mentioned panacur doesn't do tapes. I know that and spaced it out. So did my vet. I'll make a trip back for the
Droncit or Cestex. I've read that Cestex does pretty well with dragons. Ok, next question. What is the recommended schedule using Droncit or Cestex. I'm sure my vet will give me a schedule but I really only trust this forum and the reptile room for this type of advice.
Again, thank-you very much.
Take care,
Karen

"but I really only trust this forum and the reptile room for this type of advice."

Not so sow seeds of discontent here, but if you don't trust your vet find another one. Check out the massive mistakes CheriS and RaderRVT made with a similar question from BigFil.
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Russ

I think you need to learn how to read decimals. 0.3 and .30 are the same thing honey!
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Stacey

I live in a small town and don't have a lot of choices. The first vet I went to sent me home with a very sick dragon and just said the temps were too low. Wrong. This vet at least helped me get this dragon back on his feet so to speak.
I'm not sure what your referring to about massive mistake. Could you fill me in?
Take care,
Karen

Yeah, sorry I didn't explain that well - RaderRVT is carrying on the 'superficial' aspects of treating without the right to do so. The formularie she is quoting is accurate (perhaps alittle old) but it is not her place to give that information out specific to an animal the vet she works for has not seen (there can be influencing factors that require a change in dose so only a liscenced veterinarian can take ultimate responsibility for those types of descision).

Also, Cheri apparently identified a group parasites (flukes) that may not spend any of thier adult lives in gut with one that is only found as an adult in the gut (Tapeworms).

If you think that your vet could benefit from some added sources Suggest he look up TNAVC 2001 proceedings - Page 822 or the article by klingenberg in 1998 on the topic of coccidia. They give good treatment protocols.
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Russ

Good enough for my vet, Doug Mader and Scott Stahl good enough for me.

Again, where is my "massive mistake"? Here is my exact post:

"We were talking about this earlier and CheriS recommends that Albon be given for a longer duration like 14 days. The original wisdom was 3-5 days, but Cheri pointed out that it was insufficient to clear the infection at that duration and that they run it longer. Good luck with your dragons. Keep us posted"

Where did I prescribe, diagnose, or overstep my bounds beyond my opinion?
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Stacey

your a female, he's not.... you care, he's... hrmmmm, you have to understand the thought process here.

Hey did you here this joke?

A language instructor was explaining to her class that French nouns, unlike their English counterparts, are grammatically designated as masculine or feminine. Things like 'chalk' or 'pencil,' she described, would have a gender association although in English these words were neutral. Puzzled, one student raised his hand and asked, "What gender is a computer?" The teacher wasn't certain which it was, and so divided the class into two groups and asked them to decide if a computer should be masculine or feminine. One group was composed of the women in the class, and the other, of men. Both groups were asked to give four reasons for their recommendation.

The group of women concluded that computers should be referred to in the masculine gender because:

1. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on.
2. They have a lot of data but are still clueless.
3. They are supposed to help you solve your problems, but half the time they ARE the problem.
4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that, if you had waited a little longer, you might have had a better model.

The men, on the other hand, decided that computers should definitely be referred to in the feminine gender because:

1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic.
2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is incomprehensible to everyone else.
3. Even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval.
4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending half your paycheck on accessories for it.
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www.reptilerooms.com

Spud's arrival! t minus 14 hours and counting !!!
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Stacey

That is an interesting tactic - Can't fight the argument that you are wrong so make fun of the person making the statement. I beleive that is right up there with a smear compaign. Somebody else told me that you both try to make people who don't agree with you look like idiots. I beleive that point is well proven. When you can argue the FACTS of the situation here try again.

As for the reference - a book published in 2001 was probably written somewhere in the mid to late '90s (by the time a book is published the information is usually 4-5 years old). The latest info I have found on the matter was reported in journal form in 1998 and confirmed making it more recent than the book published in 2001.

Stacey - do you still have your job since your vet found out you were practicing outside your liscence?
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Russ

I sent the thread to my boss and he thinks you are a frustrated vet student that was abused by the techs in school. He agreed that I was in no way "praticing outside of my license." Sorry to disappoint you, but yes I still have my job and my doctors are very happy with me. And since his opinion is the one that matters I will not worry about you.

As far as other people telling you about "us making people who disagree feel stupid" that is a complete lie because this is the first time I (and to my knowledge CheriS) have ever been attacked on this or any forum so I do not have any such reputation. If you are intersted in beardie health and well being and have anything constructive to add feel free to post but if you just want to attack my professionalism I sincerely suggest you get a life.
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Stacey

Emails and other forums are exchanged too, in in those, other things do come out or from prior post that you may have missed.

All of us advocate taking their animals to knowledgable herp vets, ALWAYS.. sadly many know nothing about bearded dragons and make some common mistakes in treating them like other reptiles or lizards... they have only been here for a little over 20 years and hey... get a clue, we already know there is a huge difference in some of the standard meds that are used on them and other lizards or reptiles and that is backed up by well qualified researchers, NOW.... and you know how they found out??? DUH, from us low life breeders and owners.

There are several people on here that can tell you horrid stories from not checking with others about what is a common dosage or meds to avoid in bearded dragons, had they asked first, their animals might still be living and not overdosed or procedures done on them that killed them.

If you do like like hearing others compare medication doses or suggestions to discuss with their vets, no one is programing your computer to come here and read it ace.

Take 2 asprins and call me in the morning
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www.reptilerooms.com

Being able to tell anectodal stories and playing veterinarian are two completely different things.

Until you can prove to me that you can completely understand the impact of the medicine that you are talking 'bout; how it is excreted from the body; how it interacts w/ other situations that are going on in the body; etc. you will, in my eyes at least, be in WAY over your head. I don't discount the experiences that you have but there are some things that I am certain that you do not have (amoung them a liscence to dispense and administer scripted drugs - making anything that you say technically against the illegal)

On a side note, a couple of days ago I was on a jury 'bout a man who interfered in the drugs that her doctor gave and suggested some of his own that he had personally found worked really well- it killed her, he was sent off for 6-10 for dealing drugs; legally he was not a doctor and therefore did not have the right to give her or even recommend a change in her scripted meds. Im my opnion I think the same should happen to you as well.

I know you may be inteding well, but honestly, I think you have an over-inflated view of the your importance.

I am reading these forums 'cuz I have to deal with clients who get conflicting information from people like you. The irony is when their animals die people like you are never in the picture, your well intentioned and wrong information is not considered. I have to help them through the loss, I have to console them, and quite frankly I am tired of it. If you think you can a veterinarians job better than the veterinarian. Get a DVM and do it, but stop pretending to be something you are not.
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Russ

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