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Im thinking of getting a leo from Ron Tremper and Im wondering if I should get a regular albino or a Giant??

Everything else being equal, would you guys prefer giants or regulars??

I think giants would be better as pets since you could handle them better because of their larger size, but they probably need more room, which to me is not a problem I think to some people it might be.

Also Im gonna breed it to my female and Im wondering if people prefer getting giants as opposed to normal or do they not care or maybe prefer giants less???

LEt me know what you guys think of giants?? Pros and Cons maybe

Jack
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0.1 Hypo-Tang Leopard Gecko
0.1 Tremper Albino Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Crested Geckos
0.0.1 CB Baby Saharan Uromastyx

they really dropped in price.. so no point in breeding to produce normal het. giants.

i'd go for an albino giant...they are nice.. don't have to give much more of a bigger cage for it..

remeber the giant trait is recessive.. sop breeding anything to it other than a giant will result in het. giants

i think these giants will be so integrated into the existing population.. you can't really tell when they atre young anyway..unless you bred giant to a giant, then you knew they were all giants.

geckogod2

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Crested Gecko Zeek:1.0
LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

Yah I know the geneticcs and stuff about them just wondering peoples opinions.

I guess you like them though

Thanks
Jack
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0.1 Hypo-Tang Leopard Gecko
0.1 Tremper Albino Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Crested Geckos
0.0.1 CB Baby Saharan Uromastyx

i displayed my adults at reptile shows back in january of last year, then again in june and october.....everyone was simply amazed at the size of them and liked them... yeah i def. like them..

geckogod2

What show was that??? Are you in the NY area??
Cause Im probably going to the next whiteplains show.

Ive actually never seen a giant in person, but I like the idea of giant albinos.
Anyways Ill probably be breeding him to non giant albinos, so unless I want to get giants, I just wont breed it to hets.

By the way is anything besides size different about the giants??

Thanks
Jack
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0.1 Hypo-Tang Leopard Gecko
0.1 Tremper Albino Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Crested Geckos
0.0.1 CB Baby Saharan Uromastyx

northwestern berks reptile shows in Hamburg PA. i don't do the White Plains show. i probably won't have any kind of table till his june show.

you could always buy one off ron tremper for fun. if ya don'yt like it, ya can always resell it..

geckogod2

I am not that interested in them. One of the reasons I like Leopard Geckos is their managable size compared to other lizards.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

I never heard anyone say that, its quite interesting.

Have you had any or seen them live and not liked them??

Jack
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0.1 Hypo-Tang Leopard Gecko
0.1 Tremper Albino Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Crested Geckos
0.0.1 CB Baby Saharan Uromastyx

Yes, I have seen several of them! They are quite impressive, but I just think they are over priced and over rated. I personally like Leopard Geckos that are true to the species...
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

No Tremper giants for me, thanks!
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Sam
Gecko Den
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"I personally like Leopard Geckos that are true to the species"
what makes a giant any different from an albino, jungle, patternless, blizzard, or any other non line bred trait? Giants are still very managable Tremper still manages to bred them in great numbers and for an extremely low price every year.
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I am not trying to argue, but when I referred to 'true to the species', I feel that developing color morphs and developing abnormally sized Leopard Geckos are two very different things. Likewise, I don't feel like miniature horses are true to the species. I like normal sized horses. It's just my personal opinion.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

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If you go to trempers site and see his breeding housing set up you see a pick of a massive leo it is so cool.
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Thanks for the input!

I think the pic on Ron Trempers housing page is off a regular albino though, are you talking about another pic.

Jack
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0.1 Hypo-Tang Leopard Gecko
0.1 Tremper Albino Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Crested Geckos
0.0.1 CB Baby Saharan Uromastyx

There is some Monster leo on top of the plastic shoebox. That thing is big! here is the link

http://www.leopardgecko.com/caging.html
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko
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Yeah I dont think thats a giant, but I could be wrong.

Take care
Jack
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0.1 Hypo-Tang Leopard Gecko
0.1 Tremper Albino Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Hypo Tang Leopard Gecko
1.0 Crested Geckos
0.0.1 CB Baby Saharan Uromastyx

Normals don't look that much like barrels. and the giant on the box apears to be Moose (trempers largest giant) here are the two links:
http://www.leopardgecko.com/giant.html (Moose is First picture)
http://www.leopardgecko.com/caging.html

notice the similarities:
Lemon yellow and Pure white banding
Slight carrot tail
Legs look extremely thin when compared with the body
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko
1.1 feral cats (we adopted them)
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0.0.1 ball python

Giants need more space and more food, but they aren't any prettier and they don't have any bigger personalities.

I have some other serious concerns with the Giant morph as well. Normal healthy geckos can live for 20 to 30 years. This mutation has not been around long enough to know if the mutation has any affect on lifespan or long term health. In humans, giantism is associated with a lot of serious health concerns which can cause reduced lifespan. See below for link. I worry about indiscriminately breeding these genes into the captive leo population when we just don't know if the mutation has long-term health consequences for the animals themselves. What if it turns out that Giants have a reduced lifespan, of say ten years? Or what if they are prone to other health problems that don't show up until the animal is older? Have any tests been done on hormone levels in these animals? What exactly is CAUSING them to be bigger? Is anyone else at all worried about all this, or is it just me?

www.hghnews.us/p/174,291.html
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

I agree with you 100% except the part of how they aren't any prettier. But in humans giantism is caused by a small part of the brain which is normally the size of a pea but in giants the size of a tennis ball which are thousands of times larger than peas. If you look at giants and normals they look the same but in different proportions.
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko
1.1 feral cats (we adopted them)
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what about them you could say is prettier. It's just a size difference. And as they're new, they haven't reached the "quality" of normal sizes when it comes to morphs

When they are younger they do have a gangly look to them which does not look like a normal gecko
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
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I actually like the look of the giants when they are younger, they appear more unique and more needy. The reason why i say they look prettier is i think for some reason they look more friendly, kind of like if you a giant teddy bear; just as cute but more lovable. The tremper giants in time will have lots of the color morphs bred into them. What about being selectively bred? All gecko morphs are selectively bred at one point or the other. The first giant was bred to his mother and aunt and made hets so it is a simple recessive.
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko
1.1 feral cats (we adopted them)
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Giantism in humans is caused by a pituitary disorder, it used to be caused by improper use of forceps during birth. The forceps actually damage the pituitary glad and cause uncontrolled hormonal growth.

Courtsey of Ron Tremper:
The giantism in leopard geckos is actually a reccesive genetic trait.

just goto www.leopardgecko.com and read the giant FAQ. It answers almost all of the questions that have been addressed in the forum.
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Um, yah, I've read that remarkably unilluminating FAQ plenty of times before. It doesn't answer a single concern I have, and in fact contradicts itself saying it's a recessive mutation and then saing it's selectively bred- which gives me even more cause for concern. I just lost a long and detailed response about this, guess it took me too long to write and I got un-loggewd in and lost it, I will post my concerns in a seperate thread when I have more time.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos