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I imagine this has been discussed before. I tried searching, but I didn't come up with the answer I was looking for.

Does anyone know, or could point me to a website stating the compatibility of the different pattern morphs? I'm talking about stripe, aztec, zigzag, banded, fading, etc. (not colour, only pattern)

Like if you cross stripe with aztec, do you get stripes, aztecs, some weird combo, or just normal saddles het for something?

The only morphs "not compatible" would be the 3 forms of Hypo(Lava, Sunkissed, and "normal" hypo), and two forms of albinos(T and T-)which if you breed two of them together(IE: Lava hypo and sunkissed hypo), you'll get normals het for both. Stripe and Aztec for example will give you normals het for both. Most everything with corns is simple recessive, creating hets and homozygous.
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>Does anyone know, or could point me to a website stating the compatibility of the different pattern morphs? I'm talking about stripe, aztec, zigzag, banded, fading, etc. (not colour, only pattern)

>Like if you cross stripe with aztec, do you get stripes, aztecs, some weird combo, or just normal saddles het for something?

Aztec look to me as if it is a combination of Miami and zigzag, maybe with a bit of selection. But I've only seen pictures of both aztec and zigzag.

A few years ago, Jim Stelpfleug, of SW Wisconsin Reptiles, showed me a clutch of babies from a striped x motley mating. All the babies were roughly intermediate between the two patterns. So in my opinion striped and motley are compatible (alleles, in genetics jargon).

Don't know anything about banded. Or could that be what I've seen called "milk snake pattern"? I don't know anything about the genetics of milk snake pattern either.

I've never heard of a pattern morph named fading. Unless it's the pattern mutant in blood red corns which is usually called "blood red".

In my opinion, only the genetics of motley and striped are well worked out. Zigzag and blood red (the pattern) are supposed to be recessive to normal, but I've seen posts that make me wonder how accurate those assessments are. And as I recall, McEachern's corn snake color an pattern booklet says that crossing motley and zigzag only produces normally patterned snakes. As to whether blood red (the pattern) is an allele of any other mutant, your guess is as good as mine.

Paul Hollander

Woah, thank you!

Motley, I knew I forgot one...

Yes banded = milksnake

I'm almost positive I saw fading somewhere... AH, ok, I think I know where I got that one from, the patternless morph still has a bit of pattern on the head, then fades to nothing. I think somebody was calling it "fading" because it looks the same as I remember: http://www.halloffamereptiles.com/corn.htm

too many to choose from!

thanks again!

Faded: Well... if you're talking about the side-fading and checker-fading that's part of Bloodreds... it behaves fairly closely to a co-dominant gene. Normals 'het' for bloodred will show varying amounts of the belly checkers fading, up to and including a full solid plain belly. The side-fading tends to remain more hidden in hets, though that too is not an absolute statement. The pattern aspect of the bloodred can be regained by breeding two 'hets' together.
If you're talking about faded saddles... it's just one of those selective breeding things.

Stripe and Motley: While the exact nature of stripe and motley's relationship to eachother isn't quite understood, the two behave as genes which are co-dominant to eachother, but recessive to the normal gene. You can get striped-motleys by breeding a stripe to a motley. You can get striped motleys (and a mess of normals) by breeding a normal het stripe to a normal het motley. What gets weird is when you breed two striped-motleys together. The results aren't stripes, striped-motleys, and motleys... The results look even more like a mix of stripe and motley than the striped-motleys look. It's nearly impossible to recover a true 'striped' appearance when using striped-motley lines. This oddness in the F2s and beyond means there's something else going on, but no one knows what that is yet.

Aztec and Zigzag: Two different but similar pattern mutations. Zigzag is your normal zigging and zagging to different extremes. Aztec is more random, though can resemble zigzagging in spots. Neither of these is a simple recessive. You can breed two fully zigzagged corns together and get zigless corns in the clutch. Aztec is more common in lavender lines, and it is difficult to find lavenders that lack it entirely, especially in Rainwater lines.

Here's a lavender with an extreme amount of Aztec pattern:

(Please note that this pic is hosted on an old website... the former provider just hasn't taken it down yet...)

-Kat

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thank you! That info definitely helps.

Fading was my b, I saw somebody advertise a patternless as fading and that's what stuck in my head.

And a great photo! I love the aztec pattern, and I love lavenders, so I really can't go wrong.

aztec is NOT a simple recessive...no....

aztec x striped = het striped and maybe,just maybe ziggy in the patterns....especially in the ends.......(front and back end of the snake)......

aztec is like miami crosses....cause the first aztecs were from really nice red saddled and grey background aztec parents.....with lav mixed in...unknown to him..(*ask John Albrecht..1992).......*(I got all the lavs for at least 3 years from him)...hahaha....

aztec x aztec = aztec and half aztec and normal or all normal or all aztec half...they are weird......

in other words.......aztec shows up oddly......probably like zig-zags........the better the parents the better the kids......

alot of aztecs are sold that are only part aztec...and aren't really aztec....they are "made up for more money" aztecs.....

people see a little bit if a zig in the pattern and expect alot of money for the babies........

other people have been blowing out aztecs for $8 to $20 for yearsssssssss............yep........

lavender and aztec from Rainwater........well...since Tim got all his lavs from Bob Scott and Bob got them all from Dan Thomasco here in Pa......well.........and Dan got them from John Albrecht's snakes........it seems to me that his lavs will be aztec prone..........and aztecs lavender prone....

I get alot of lavs that are aztec and alot that are not......from same lines.......

.........anyways...........

have fun........tim is gone,dan is gone,bob is ? not around me?....,and John is in here from time to time.....using his full real name....right John?.......(*HI)
.......have fun.............

Jeffrey Yohe.........

Guess I was thinking of the "zipper/zigzag" etc corns.. My bad. lol.
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Hello, my name is Brie.. And i'm an addict..

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Currently keeping:
1.2 southern scrub pythons
1.0 reticulated python
1.0 albino burmese python
1.1 jungle carpet pythons
1.0 irian jaya carpet python
0.1 blood python
3.0 ball pythons
0.1 green anaconda
1.2 amazon tree boas
1.0 colombian redtail boas
1.1 argentine boas
1.0 sonoran boa
1.0 cancun boa
0.1 sunbeam snake
1.2 albino and het albino chinese beauty snakes
1.2 taiwan beauties
6.6 cornsnakes
0.0.1 albino checkered gartersnake
3 sandfire bearded dragons
0.1 nile monitor
1.0 savannah monitor

and lots of bugs, furry critters, fish and birds

zig-zag and zippers ans aztecs are more or less the same thing...

at the same time period.....late 80's into 1992.....Kathy Love did the zig-zag.....I guess zippers would be the best zigs....and John Albrecht was doing the aztecs.......

........they are still kewl.........