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Can anyone tell me then, in Arizona, how far up have they been found? All I could find on them is that they are found in SW AZ. As well as Mexico and Cali. But I would be going to AZ. I thought I read someone reported seeing one as far up as southern NV, but i dont know if this was true or just someone making things up? I am hoping that theese books I bought will give me good info on everything. I cant believe people are already out in CA herping! I am soooo jealous! Ooohh! Another QUESTION!!
Like I said, I am in Idaho. The earliest I have read about is like two snakes possibly coming out in March here, but most snakes dont emerge until April. I am Southern Idaho. MountainHome if anyone knows where that is. Right by the Oyhee Mountains, a great place to herp. But also right by Nevada which is why I choose NV and AZ instead of OR and UT. But does anyone know when the reps start coming out in Nevada and Northern Arizona?
BTW, I have hunted a bit in OR on the coast, and found a whole load of Salamanders. They were black with a brownish red strip down their back, and a few were black with a more speckled reeddish brown on thier back. They were all together though so I am assuming they were the same species. But does anyone know what they might have been and if that is a good find or just something common? I dont really do much with amphibians. I like dealing with the reptiles and Scorpions, and the awsome blue centipedes we have here. But if those salamanders are worth anything, than it might be worth getting into.
Ok, I'm done with all my questions for now.

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"The Critters"

Pehaps the salamanders you found in Oregon were Red-backed Salamanders. They are common often can be found together under debris.

near the town of Chloride in the Cerbat Mountains. In CA the have been found in the Panamint Mountains. These are the furthest northern localities in CA, and AZ. I beleive there are isolated populations further north too. There are sightings of rosys in So NV. I believe that they are there, but I have not seen any yet.

Hey Triv.

Focus on the temps at certain times of the days. FOOD source...

P.S. When I think like a snake I usually find that snake!

Tony

I think I'm a big dummy or I'm missing something pertaining to your reply to my previous post. What did I miss?

Trivirgata

Hey Triv,
I just meant after doing research on the species of snake, when I am looking in the field, I just think like if I were that snake, where would I be, in the shade (temp)or Looking for food ect.
So looking in So.NV " think like a snake" It may prevail for you.

Nothing else meant by the statement.

Tony

it was way early in the morning or way late at night, depending on how ya look at it. I just didn't figure out were the hell your were going with it. As far as the NV rosys go, I'm gonna treat them as I would any of the upper desert localities. It's pretty much the same set up anyway. Maybe we should hook down there and check it out.

Jerry Hartley - trivirgata

It's all good Jeff,
I swear sometimes I think I am a snake! In the field when I think like a snake and where I would be at that particular time It usually doesn't take long to locate one or a reptile .

Let's keep in contact and I will make plans to head out that direction and we can do some herping out that way.
Where do you live? I am in Huntington Beach.

I'm in northern NV, about 30 miles east of Reno.

Jerry Hartley

I lived in Vegas for a little while and went BASS fishing in acouple lakes in say mid Nevada area.
There's some nice looking Snake habitat out there.
Charleston Mountain is real nice, also Red Rock Canyon outside of Vegas (40 min.) is a nice spot for herping.

I may be able to swing a weekend trip out there this season.
I let you know.

Tony

Here is a range map for Rosies in AZ from the reptiles of az web page (reptilesofaz dot com). It is a great web site with pretty good range maps for many species.

I believe there are also rangemaps on either rosyboas.com or rosyboa.com, I don't remember which.

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Chris Harrison

Hey thanks for the info from both of you on the Rosy. I am hoping to be able to make it down taht far this year.
Stil trying to find out how soon the reptiles start coming out in NV and AZ...and also, if they are already out herping in NW Oregon then does that mean the herps are out in ALL of Oregon?
I am close enough to SE Oregon I could go out for a few hours. But I dont want to waste the trip if they aren't out there yet.
Anyone know?
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"The Critters"

Here are a couple of forums specific to Arizona herps:
You'll probably have your best luck asking there about when herps come out or even just monitor the sites to see when people start sharing their springtime finds.

www.azreptiles.com/

pub52.ezboard.com/freptilesofarizonafrm1

Also, I looked at your yahoo gallery and was a little disturbed by this picture:

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I hope you don't keep your whipsnakes, racers, and coachwhips in small containers like that all the time and without any place to bask. They are highly diurnal and nervous snakes which deserve to have bigger cages with a basking light in my opinion. They are your animals though so keep them as you wish.

The whipsnakes and other snakes are kept in those for short periods of time. Those are my transfer tubs. They are actually pretty big. Much bigger tahn you can see in the pic. But I dont have the snakes very long. Usually only a few days before they go to a perminent home. The snakes that ARE kept for more than a few days get thier own cages with basking lights, ceramic heaters, heat pads, etc.
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"The Critters"

Hi,
Just curious as to whether or not you keep all the snakes you find. You say they usually go to other homes,so do you just take everything you come across in the wild, even if you dont need it and give them away ?.
Jeff Teel

first, no, I dont keep all taht I find. I know a few good spots taht have alot of reptiles. A few rattlesnake dens, lizard cononies, and other snakes that are in both good and bad population. I try to only take one or two animals from different the more highly populated locations each year. I also write done my findings each year so I know where I went last year, what I found, how many I saw, so I know not to go back to the same spot the next year and which spots to not go back to at all. Some of the reptiles I catch i keep for a few days and study, then I release it. Others I sell. I dont just give them away. It's a part time buissiness. I also sell rats, sugargliders, and hedgehogs. And a few other critters from time to time. But I also have a liscence to do so. I am very careful not to OVER take any animals, and try to help as best I can to repopulate an area that seems to be having trouble. I did this with a dwindling collard lizard colony out here. I took a few and bred them a few times and released the babys after a few months. Now when I go out to that spot there are always collards out and easy to find. Fat, happy, and healthy looking. Most of the reptiles I catch are just released. And the ones I keep, I either breed and release, or sell. I hope this answers your question.
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"The Critters"

Hello,
First, sorry if I sounded like I was accusing you of taking more than you should, I didnt meant to come off like that at all. I actually think its very cool what you did with the collared lizards. I've done the same thing for some snake species before. You should post some pics of some your findings this year. Especially if you come across rosys, i love looking for rosys. Sorry again,
Jeff Teel

Thats ok. I know in my photos it looks like I have alot. And maybe like I caught alot. But most my animals are store or breeder bought. and alot of the animals I dont have anymore. They were from up to 5 years ago. I will deffinetly post pictures of my finds this year! I did not have a digital camera before to capture pictures of them in the wild. THIS YEAR WILL BE DIFFERENT!
I doubt I will be lucky enough to find a rosy on my first try since I know people who've been doing this slot longer than me, going out every year looking for nothing but a rosy, and stil ahvent found any. So I would be very lucky if I did come across one. Then, I dont even know if I would want to touch it. I think I will mark it down where I found it. Take some pics, search the area to see if I cant find any more, then come back next year and see if I have any luck again! Why are they so hard to find? Are they THAT few in population? Or are they just that good at hiding?
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"The Critters"

"...I doubt I will be lucky enough to find a rosy on my first try since I know people who've been doing this slot longer than me, going out every year looking for nothing but a rosy, and stil ahvent found any."

You do? Maybe they should give it up lol, rosies arent that hard to find.