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Check out this ad and pay special attention to the line in all caps.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=6&de=190249

"THE PINE SNAKE IS THE LARGEST NONVENOMOUS SNAKE IN NORTH AMERICA HANDS DOWN!"

I guess that means that he's never seen or heard of a full grown Indigo. Or, it could mean that Indigos are actually Pine Snakes.

Or,...it could mean that Indigos are venomous.

Or...it could be just more crap dredged from that great cesspool of misinformation.

Could very well be he believes Drymarchon are venomous.
I acquired a rather large and impressive D. c melanurus from a well respected breeder at a show last year. I didn't need another melanurus, but when hee asked if they were opisthoglyphic! I decided such an impressive specimen deserved a well informed home.
Of course, he had little experience with Drymachon, as he primarily breeds species of Aspidites and Elapidae, but one would think people would do at least a bit of research before making such claims, or in my example, acquiring such a specimen.

Dean,
Everyone knows the Eastern Indigo is the largest colubrid in the US. Heck I have red bulls over 8 foot and black pines over 7 foot. Not only are my red bulls bigger than all my southern & northern pines (I have a dozen or so). They are heavier bodied by far!!! I only live about 2 hours from you. Wouldn't mind seeing your collection someday. Ron
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"The Crawl Space"

Yes, I was thinking bulls are bigger too...although I do know I guy in FL who ones an 8' plus n pine.

If you want to see my collection, just email me and we'll work out a day to do it.

Dean

yes, I was interested in those snakes until he made that statement, hands down! lol
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A.C.

www.gradeareptiles.com

We have to caveat that now that there are Burmese pythons living in the wild in Florida. I remember reading some old herp book that said Indigos could get up to 10 feet.

np

I hadn't heard that Florida had actual populations of Burmese PYthons. I know that there have been Retics and Burms that have survived as escapees, but I haven't heard of them surviving as breeding populations. That's kind of scary I guess.

DougT

Eastern Indigo is the largest at 103.33 inches
Black Ratsnake is second- 101 inches
Texas Indigo- 100.25 inches
Bullsnake- 100 inches
Eastern Diamondback- 96 inches

Caveat- who knows how accurate these records are? I've seen some damn big black rats, but none over 7 feet, even captive individuals. I have seen several captive pits, both pines and bulls, that were easily over 7 and probably 8 feet. My experience with indigos and diamondbacks is limited though.

Van