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So a few days ago I put in a live baby fuzzy rat for my Nile to eat. He didnt eat it and it died. So I left it in overnight for him to eat. He still didnt eat it. I was going to take it out yesterday and throw it away cause it was bloated and starting to smell nasty. But then got preoccupied with my daughter and forgot to do it! This morning there was the nastiest stinky dead animal smell coming from the critter room. and I remembered the nasty bloated fuzzy rat. But when I went to get it out, I couldnt find it! That nasty lizard ATE IT! And recently. I am thinking this morning by the nasty smell. Then I also found he must have tore it up and shook it around cause I found a few pieces splattered on the side of the tank. I almost lost my stomach. I cant believe he ate that! Is that going to hurt him? Make him sick?
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No, it won't hurt her. But fresh is always better obviously.

Well now the nasty thing regurgitated it in its nice freshly cleaned water dish. You know, I think he does this to me just to let me know just how much he DOES NOT LIKE ME!!! lol
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The only one it is going to hurt is you and your stomach. LOL. Monitors are accustomed to eating some pretty foul food items. It does not bother them to do so. Your monitor will be fine.
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You "put a baby fuzzy rat in there, he didn't eat it and it died."

How bloody long was the fuzzy in there, to just up and die? You let it starve to death?
If the monitor isn't eating a food item, you could have put it out of its misery, you know.
But then, that would take some compassion...

And as for leaving it there long enough to rot...then get eaten...having a pet does require a modicum of your time...
D.

Sorry, but no, I can't have any compassion for ANY rats I feed to any of my animals. Either the rat is going to be squeezed and sufficated to death by a constrictor, bit and venomated by a rattler, grabbed, chewed and ripped apart by a monitor, or I have to kill it myself before feeding it to my anaconda.
The fuzzy (meaning it was just starting to get a tiny bit of hair on it) was not in good health. Its mom was not feeding it or any of its siblings and tehy were all dying because of it. I left it in its cage over night. And it died some time that night.
I left it in there overnight again, and it was bloated by the next day. My daughter one month old daughter was having problems that day and I didnt get to take it out. She is very collicy and not so easy to deal with. She gets such bad gas in her tummy it hurts her and she will cry all day long. So I was dealing with trying to keep her comforted and help make her tummy feel better. So it was the morning after that (thismorning) that I went to take it out, and he had eaten it already.
I dont know how you are supposed to own one of theese animals and also have compassion for the food you are putting in to be painfully killed and ripped apart by them! Sure, I COULD kill it first. But he usually prefers them alive. And thats just fine with me!
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Oh geeez lady, c'mon. The way you put that across was dumb. You can have compassion for all animals not just snakes.Yes I do feed my animals rodents. Most all the time dead. I do feed live "mice" ocassionally for my monitors to give them some exercise, and I do feed live to any snakes that arent feeding yet, on pre killed. Having compassion for rodents and feeders can mean, killing them swiftly and with as little suffering as possible. Im not a pansy and all sentimental about my rodents. I breed my own and I cycle them from babies to retired breeders, but I dont relish in the fact that I do Kill them. I dont enjoy it in the least, but I understand the cycle of life and do respect them all the way through.

You said your lizard doesnt enjoy pre killed feed. Yet you gave it live and it ended up eating it after it was long gone. I think YOU enjoy watching it get killed.Or inviting your friends over so they can see the "cool tough snake girl" feed rodents and love it.

Maybe some day "Zoolady" while at your at the zoo, some tiger will grab you and start devouring you and flinging you around like a ragdoll, and I'll be laughing my ass off saying, "I cannot have ANY compassion for that."

Sorry, but no, I can't have any compassion for ANY rats I feed to any of my animals. Either the rat is going to be squeezed and sufficated to death by a constrictor, bit and venomated by a rattler, grabbed, chewed and ripped apart by a monitor, or I have to kill it myself before feeding it to my anaconda.
The fuzzy (meaning it was just starting to get a tiny bit of hair on it) was not in good health. Its mom was not feeding it or any of its siblings and tehy were all dying because of it. I left it in its cage over night. And it died some time that night.
I left it in there overnight again, and it was bloated by the next day. My daughter one month old daughter was having problems that day and I didnt get to take it out. She is very collicy and not so easy to deal with. She gets such bad gas in her tummy it hurts her and she will cry all day long. So I was dealing with trying to keep her comforted and help make her tummy feel better. So it was the morning after that (thismorning) that I went to take it out, and he had eaten it already.
I dont know how you are supposed to own one of theese animals and also have compassion for the food you are putting in to be painfully killed and ripped apart by them! Sure, I COULD kill it first. But he usually prefers them alive. And thats just fine with me!

Well, some people choose to feed live and some prekilled. I feed most my animals prekilled. My anaconda, my gliders, my Basilisk, all get prekilled. I never said that the Nile didn't like prekilled. If you look. I said he USUALLY prefers live. USUALLY.
Not always. When I first bought him, which was only a few weeks ago, he refused to eat anything the first week I had him. I was offering him thawed pinky rats then. Then one of my rats had a litter that she stopped feeding (the fuzzys) and they started dying, so I put a live one in and left. Then it was gone when I came back a half hour later. so I gave it another and it was gone an hour later. 2 days later I gave it another live one and he ate it too. So I assumed that he prefered live rather than dead. This is 3 days later. And the first dead one he has ever eaten since I have had him.
I have alot of animals including a whole ton of rats that I breed.
I originally started breeding the rats as feeders for my anaconda, but I kept getting too attached to the babys. After raising them from babys and playing with them every day and seeing them get so happy and excited when ever I walked up to thier cages it made it hard then to go and kill this thing that loved and trusted me so much! So now I try as hard as I can not to have that compassion for the animals I know I am going to have to kill for my snake. And now...I have a whole ton of rattys that I keep as breeders as Pet rats rather tahn feeders. Only a few I save for feeding. I DO have compassion for them .I love them alot. But I try not to have any with the ones I have to feed. I do not kill the ones that I feed to the rattler. He was a wild caught adult and only eats themafter killing them himself. Of course I am going to continue trying to feed the Nile prekilled, but not if he's going to wait until it is rotten and bloated and smelly! In that case I will keep trying live until and if he ever starts eating freshly killed or thawed ones.
And NO I do not have my "friends" come over to see the animals get killed at the "big bad snake ladys" house. how ridiculous!
Grow up!
At that I HAVE NO FRIENDS! My husband is in the millitary and we live near the base which is in the middle of tumbleweed town NOWHERE VILLE! I am not a "partier" More of a solitary person.
I prefer to stay at home and take care of the critters, my daughter, and my husband. He is the same way. He hangs out with his friends at the gym, but they have never come over to hang out or anything. Maybe to stop by and borrow a movie or something. We dont drink, smoke, do drugs or any of that dumb ****. So please do not start assuming things about me. I dont know why you persist to try to tick me off. I came here to ask a simple question. Not to get harrased by you.
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So I'm harrasing you o.k., Now this post would be considered stalking.

But seriously, you came across in a certain manner and I interpreted how you came across.

Don't really care what you do or how you do it. Just giving you an opposing view with a little gray matter. Good luck

I get a certain amount of amusement watching my BT chase chickens around. ...how many are willing to admit THAT??

Maybe you should tell Daniel Bennett that.
Maybe you should go out an buy an incubator before your eggs go bad

Daniel ALREADY knows Im nutz!! Hahaha!!

Forgot that part!

your not demented just crazy LOL

It doesnt bother me if feeding live or not, but then again I am a farm boy and we shoot and clean our own supper.

You've been hanging with Manny Puig too long, dont go shaving your chest now. LOL

Heheh. Too funny. Thanks for the laugh.
I feel better now.
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Killing them in general is not really passionate. But you can do it in a humane way is all that is being said. No need to have it suffering if it can be avoided.

So you see you can show compassion for them and still raise them for feeders.

Now about your daughter ouch that sucks. Is she feeding from a bottle? When my son was collicy we switched him over to a different bottle its curved and has a vented bottom. This allows for less air to be ingested. It greatly reduces a gasy stomach.

You really don't owe anyone here an explanation for why you fed it live. Lots of people do, and some even argue it is better. That's a different debate. As for the few here who choose to insult or ridicule you, you should just ignore them.

I feed some of my small monitors live pinkies. Occasionally, even live fuzzies. And on rare occasions I feed live small rats when I give them to Labyrinth or my argus (both can kill as fast as I can). My last quail went in live for my water monitors. I have left live pinks in for long periods of time, including overnight. If it's not gone eventually, I toss it in a different enclosure for someone else to eat. It might have suffered, and that is unfortunate.

As for having left it in the enclosure for a long time, again, so what. The only entity bothered by that was your stomach. Your monitor didn't care. I often leave extra food items in cages until they are gone. Sometimes they smell bad (I try not putting them under heat lamps, but sometimes they get moved). Only one bothered by that is my visitors, and since I have none that does not really matter. LOL.
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thanks Bloodbat,
I didnt think I would get anyone giving me crap about what I had wrote! It didn't seem like anything out of the ordinary to me. Maybe I should have been more discriptive when I said what happened? But I just dont feel all that is nesscisary. I had a question. Just wanted an answer. Thanks for your support.
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