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Burmese proportions (question):

Antegy Feb 13, 2004 02:55 PM

Hello all,

I have a 9-1/2', 40#, male labyrinth burmese. He is quite healthy, active, and friendly. I have no complaints or issues with him, as my experience with him has been great.

Lately, I've been noticing it seems that as he grows he may be growing disproportionately. It is most apparent when I have him out and he is fully outstretched. His body looks quite large in proportion to the size of his head. I have measured his head at about 3" long and 1-3/4" wide. Does that sound about right for a snake that big?

If it's not proportionately correct, I wonder if it is due to him being a morph. (?) Otherwise, would his head eventually 'catch up' to be more proportionate to the size of his body?

Anyone out there have normals or other morphs who can share comments on this to compare these proportions? Or, has anyone else seen this with thier labyrinths?

Thanks,
- Mark

Replies (5)

BrianSmith Feb 13, 2004 05:03 PM

Is he relatively young? If he's still young it is common for the head of a burmese to be somewhat "small" and yes, it will mature and "catch up" later. But also, yes, I have noticed that my labyrinth morphs have more of a "butten head" than other types of burmese. My granites too. My patternless albinos have more lengthy heads. But I wouldn't read into this as any form of a deformity or even an "irregularity". It's just likely that the first labyrinths that were line bred to create the morph line had smaller than average heads and this physical characteristic was simply hereditary like the other physical pattern characteristics being sought. Nothing to worry about, I'm sure. I have seen some burmese with big bubble eyes and others with little beady eyes. I'm sure the offspring from these looked much like their parents. Burmese like many other python species, have a wide diversity in head structure.

>>Hello all,
>>
>>I have a 9-1/2', 40#, male labyrinth burmese. He is quite healthy, active, and friendly. I have no complaints or issues with him, as my experience with him has been great.
>>
>>Lately, I've been noticing it seems that as he grows he may be growing disproportionately. It is most apparent when I have him out and he is fully outstretched. His body looks quite large in proportion to the size of his head. I have measured his head at about 3" long and 1-3/4" wide. Does that sound about right for a snake that big?
>>
>>If it's not proportionately correct, I wonder if it is due to him being a morph. (?) Otherwise, would his head eventually 'catch up' to be more proportionate to the size of his body?
>>
>>Anyone out there have normals or other morphs who can share comments on this to compare these proportions? Or, has anyone else seen this with thier labyrinths?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>- Mark
-----
"Sure,... you say that now. But what will you say when you are looking into my dark, merciless eyes." [Walter Wego]

"Charlie won because we never knew where he was. We had superior numbers, but he had stealth, patience, and sheer determination to prevail. We lost the moment we decided to engage, only it took us 10 years to lie down and die." [General Enevi Tability on the Vietnam war]

Antegy Feb 15, 2004 12:05 PM

Brian,

He is about 3-1/2 years old. Does that make him young for that size? I hope you're right that his head will mature and catch up to be proportionate with size of the rest of his body.

I wish there were some photos out there, somewhere, that could give me hope that he will grow into a proportionately correct adult. Know of any?

Would you happen to know what the 'typical' head size should be (length x width) for a normal phase burm (for a 3-1/2yr old male, at 9-1/2' and 40lb.)? I could use that info to judge just how far off he is at this point, and how much catching up he has to do (if any).

Thanks,
- Mark

>>Is he relatively young? If he's still young it is common for the head of a burmese to be somewhat "small" and yes, it will mature and "catch up" later. But also, yes, I have noticed that my labyrinth morphs have more of a "butten head" than other types of burmese. My granites too. My patternless albinos have more lengthy heads. But I wouldn't read into this as any form of a deformity or even an "irregularity". It's just likely that the first labyrinths that were line bred to create the morph line had smaller than average heads and this physical characteristic was simply hereditary like the other physical pattern characteristics being sought. Nothing to worry about, I'm sure. I have seen some burmese with big bubble eyes and others with little beady eyes. I'm sure the offspring from these looked much like their parents. Burmese like many other python species, have a wide diversity in head structure.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>I have a 9-1/2', 40#, male labyrinth burmese. He is quite healthy, active, and friendly. I have no complaints or issues with him, as my experience with him has been great.
>>>>
>>>>Lately, I've been noticing it seems that as he grows he may be growing disproportionately. It is most apparent when I have him out and he is fully outstretched. His body looks quite large in proportion to the size of his head. I have measured his head at about 3" long and 1-3/4" wide. Does that sound about right for a snake that big?
>>>>
>>>>If it's not proportionately correct, I wonder if it is due to him being a morph. (?) Otherwise, would his head eventually 'catch up' to be more proportionate to the size of his body?
>>>>
>>>>Anyone out there have normals or other morphs who can share comments on this to compare these proportions? Or, has anyone else seen this with thier labyrinths?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>- Mark
>>-----
>>"Sure,... you say that now. But what will you say when you are looking into my dark, merciless eyes." [Walter Wego]
>>
>>"Charlie won because we never knew where he was. We had superior numbers, but he had stealth, patience, and sheer determination to prevail. We lost the moment we decided to engage, only it took us 10 years to lie down and die." [General Enevi Tability on the Vietnam war]

BrianSmith Feb 15, 2004 02:39 PM

Hi Mark. The original proportions that you posted (3"x1 1 3/4" sound perfectly fine. I have some 20 month old burms that are that big that have heads much smaller than that. I'm not worried about it in the least. Yes, your guy is relatively young and his head will certainly enlargen and mature as he becomes older. But it seems perfectly fine even now. No worries mate.

>>Brian,
>>
>>He is about 3-1/2 years old. Does that make him young for that size? I hope you're right that his head will mature and catch up to be proportionate with size of the rest of his body.
>>
>>I wish there were some photos out there, somewhere, that could give me hope that he will grow into a proportionately correct adult. Know of any?
>>
>>Would you happen to know what the 'typical' head size should be (length x width) for a normal phase burm (for a 3-1/2yr old male, at 9-1/2' and 40lb.)? I could use that info to judge just how far off he is at this point, and how much catching up he has to do (if any).
>>
>>Thanks,
>>- Mark
>>
>>>>Is he relatively young? If he's still young it is common for the head of a burmese to be somewhat "small" and yes, it will mature and "catch up" later. But also, yes, I have noticed that my labyrinth morphs have more of a "butten head" than other types of burmese. My granites too. My patternless albinos have more lengthy heads. But I wouldn't read into this as any form of a deformity or even an "irregularity". It's just likely that the first labyrinths that were line bred to create the morph line had smaller than average heads and this physical characteristic was simply hereditary like the other physical pattern characteristics being sought. Nothing to worry about, I'm sure. I have seen some burmese with big bubble eyes and others with little beady eyes. I'm sure the offspring from these looked much like their parents. Burmese like many other python species, have a wide diversity in head structure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a 9-1/2', 40#, male labyrinth burmese. He is quite healthy, active, and friendly. I have no complaints or issues with him, as my experience with him has been great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lately, I've been noticing it seems that as he grows he may be growing disproportionately. It is most apparent when I have him out and he is fully outstretched. His body looks quite large in proportion to the size of his head. I have measured his head at about 3" long and 1-3/4" wide. Does that sound about right for a snake that big?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it's not proportionately correct, I wonder if it is due to him being a morph. (?) Otherwise, would his head eventually 'catch up' to be more proportionate to the size of his body?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone out there have normals or other morphs who can share comments on this to compare these proportions? Or, has anyone else seen this with thier labyrinths?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>- Mark
>>>>-----
>>>>"Sure,... you say that now. But what will you say when you are looking into my dark, merciless eyes." [Walter Wego]
>>>>
>>>>"Charlie won because we never knew where he was. We had superior numbers, but he had stealth, patience, and sheer determination to prevail. We lost the moment we decided to engage, only it took us 10 years to lie down and die." [General Enevi Tability on the Vietnam war]
>>
>>
-----
"Sure,... you say that now. But what will you say when you are looking into my dark, merciless eyes." [Walter Wego]

"Charlie won because we never knew where he was. We had superior numbers, but he had stealth, patience, and sheer determination to prevail. We lost the moment we decided to engage, only it took us 10 years to lie down and die." [General Enevi Tability on the Vietnam war]

jtrott Feb 13, 2004 05:35 PM

I talked to Kevin, I believe, over at NERD when I was considering getting a Laby, about 6 months ago, and he said the same thing. All of his adult had pinheads. Like Brian said it may be that we are growing them up to fast and it takes a while for the head to catch up, or it could be a deformity from linebreeding. I am not sure. I basically decided to get an albino male instead. Kevin said that he got rid of all of his Laby's since, so I am not sure if the heads actually caught up with it's body. Might be interesting to find out??!!

Antegy, I have not seen any pictures of your Laby in a while, do you have any new ones?

Antegy Feb 15, 2004 11:51 AM

>>I talked to Kevin, I believe, over at NERD when I was considering getting a Laby, about 6 months ago, and he said the same thing. All of his adult had pinheads. Like Brian said it may be that we are growing them up to fast and it takes a while for the head to catch up, or it could be a deformity from linebreeding. I am not sure. I basically decided to get an albino male instead. Kevin said that he got rid of all of his Laby's since, so I am not sure if the heads actually caught up with it's body. Might be interesting to find out??!!
>>
>>Antegy, I have not seen any pictures of your Laby in a while, do you have any new ones?

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