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THe longer I'm involved in this hobby, the more I really appreciate the beauty of the naturally occuring corn snakes. I just recently got mt first two Oketees. I think of all the pics posted on this forum I enjoy the locality specific snakes the most. Being from north east Texas herping for true corn snakes isn't gonna happen. I am beginning to get interested in the Kisatchie "Slowinski". Though not a true corn I think they are a beautiful snake. The book is still out on exactly what they are. In my opinion they are one of Mother Natures great accomplishments. I was wondering if any of you share an interest in this species. I don't ever see them in peoples list of snakes. I don't know if this is because they are still relatively new or because a lot of people don,t find them attractive. Also I guess people arn't interested because they aren't really corn snakes. I definatly plan to purchase a pair this year. I'm not any where close to thinking about breeding any of my snakes. But if I ever do, do any of you think there will be any interest in these little fellas. I see this as a kind of untapped oppertunity to get in on the ground floor. I may be wrong, but I don't know of any albinos being collected as of yet. When that does happen I see a whole new world of morphs to be created. If any one out there has an opinion or any good research info on this I would appreciate a response. Thanks, Jim
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1,0 snow
1,0 amel

1,0 aney stripe motley
0,1 normal
0,1 anery
0,1 motley
1,1 oketee
1,1 tx rat
4,4 ball python
1,1 dumerils boa
1,0 columbian red tail boa
1,1 green iguana
1,0 leopard gecko
1,3 dogs
freezer full of mice & rats

Kisatchee is a corn. I like the way they look too, and almost bought that as one of my first corns. At that time, and this was only a year and a half ago, they weren't "discovered" as a new species yet, and I saw them for sale on SMR's site as a corn morph. I will probably end up getting a pair eventually, because I like the "metallic" look they have. But I think I want to see what happens with them when they're mixed with "real corns" by other breeders first. I'd like to know if they would be considered a "hybrid" or "intergrade" also.

I think an anery kisatchee would be a very nice looking snake!
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
6.7 Cornsnakes
1.3 Cats
0.1 Child
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Castle Serpents

I personally believe the Kisatchie is an intergrade that took many many years to develope. Your post brings to mind another thought. If the Kisatchie is a seperate species I would like to see it kept pure. I recently corresponded with someone who breeds Kisatchies. He told me of a project in wich he's crossing them with emory rats. I'm not tring to start something on this forum, but I would like to see more selective breeding before the bloodlines are polluted with other species.
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1,0 snow
1,0 amel

1,0 aney stripe motley
0,1 normal
0,1 anery
0,1 motley
1,1 oketee
1,1 tx rat
4,4 ball python
1,1 dumerils boa
1,0 columbian red tail boa
1,1 green iguana
1,0 leopard gecko
1,3 dogs
freezer full of mice & rats

A naturally occuring intergrade is most likely.
Although I have nothing against intergrades and some hybrids I would most definitely want to keep a pure line of Kisatchies if I obtained a pair.
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Remember, my posts are MY opinion only.
Jimmy (draybar)

>>Once again Dianne and I are on the same page.
I think they are beautiful snakes and have almost purchased a couple on several different occaisions. I too believe they are corns.
And I also know that somewhere down the road I will own a pair.
I think a lot of people have stayed away from them because of their classification and I also believe a lot more people are going towards the high end morphs and straying away from the "natural" morphs.
my two cents
Jimmy

They are most definitely on my wish list (however since my wish list is about a mile long, it probably will be a few years (3-4?) before I get a pair).

I think that the reason they aren't owned by many is because there aren't that many breeders working with them. There are probably more, but I only know of 2 breeders that have them.

Even though I currently only own corns, they aren't the only snakes I plan to have in the future. In other words, if they are or aren't a true cornsnake doesn't matter in my eyes. I know there are quite a few purest that only work with corns, but that's not going to be me.

I also will definitely not breed them into any of my other corns. They are beautiful enough the way they are and I agree they shouldn't be polluted with other genes.

While I think Jimmy (draybar) is correct, a lot of people are concentrating on the higher end morphs (lavender, bloodred, etc.), I think that kisatchies should be included is this bunch. They are more expensive than many corn morphs and seeing that they are fairly rare, I would think it would be an excellent breeding project.

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alstiver@hotmail.com

Current snakes:
1.0 2001 Hypo snow cornsnake
0.1 2002 Pastel Ghost cornsnake
1.1 2002 Bloodred cornsnakes
To be added when it gets warmer:
0.1 1998 Het Hypo, Het Caramel cornsnake
1.0 2000 Hypo Het Caramel cornsnake

I have been into snakes for about as long as I can remember. I appreciate the color morphs and all the different "eye candy" out there, but my interests lie with the natural occuring colors that mother nature gave to snakes. The Kisatchie corn is no exception. It is a very nice looking animal in its natural occuring form. The colors look sorta like some of the eastern milks here in KY.

And for those of you that like the "metallic" look, take a look at some of the prairie king pictures that Phil Peak took here in KY. Some of the have a "gun metal" grey overtone to them, and are, in my opinion, very nice looking.

A pic of my '03 KY locale prairie king.

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1.0 Corn snake
1.0 Black rat snake
1.0 Albino Black rat snake
1.0 Everglades rat snake
0.1 Yellow rat snake
1.1 California king snake
1.0 Prairie king snake
0.1 Black king snake

Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

Before this post, I'd never heard of the Kisatchies, so I had to go look for one to see what the fuss was about. Shame on you for posting this.....now I want one. Beautiful snake, love that metallic sheen. Looks cornish to me, but I'm mostly a boid person with a corn fetish so I'm hardly a reliable source for an opinion. *G* I could easily see adding a pair of these to my collection and agree that the line should be kept pure...at least initially and until the genetics are decided. Being a fan of the naturally occuring color phases in corns as much as the morphs, I'd rather see more of these bred and produced before the mixing started.

Raven

n/p
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1,0 snow
1,0 amel

1,0 aney stripe motley
0,1 normal
0,1 anery
0,1 motley
1,1 oketee
1,1 tx rat
4,4 ball python
1,1 dumerils boa
1,0 columbian red tail boa
1,1 green iguana
1,0 leopard gecko
1,3 dogs
freezer full of mice & rats