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Thanx for the input, the lights on the inside is probably the way I'll go I see it in alot of pictures, I will try to unscrew my 45 halogon w/ it on. I just always assumed it would be to hot for the critters if they ever came into contact w/ them. You know,i have a spare bedroom where I grow plants/vegs. w/ a 1000 watt high pressure sodium lamp. This is where they should be, but
this headache is just so I can have them in my bedroom so I can observe them more. Common sense would have to dictate I'm a retard hey. I don't know what route I'm going to go yet, at some point a guy has got to look at the monetary aspect of all this. If I go with radient heat or even the ceramic I should also have aa thermostat set up for each. That is getting expensive, How does the 24/7 light scheme work in regards to breeding. That may be the route for me, a curtain setup to block all the lite at nite is going to be a lot cheaper than a pair of panels and thermos by far. I'll have the cages setup this weekend. All I have to do is decide on is the supplemental heat source if any now if I go 24/7. Thanx for all the ideas you may have saved my bank account a hefty withdrawl. Later, Clint

how goes it clint?

24/7: last night when i got up to give myself my 2 am relief my pilbaras were breeding, i know this because i saw them with the cage lights being on. yesterday in the morning, they were breeding, i know this because the lights were on. they are on all the time. same with the glaeurti, ackies, all of the monitors.

i don't know what your final decision on a cage was. you posted on our site about something. was it a trough? if so, a 45 halogen could be perfect, depending on how close it is to the basking. i moved my glaeurti breeders into a 6 foot trough, and they have a 60 watt. my pils are in a similar setup with a 60 watt (but the pils seem to like lower temps than some of the others, hmmmmmmm?)

i live in a great place to breed monitors, so in that regard i am able to regulate my temps much easier than someone like from new york or texas or whatever.

cheers, andrew

Hey Andy, its good your back even if its a day. I've been going in circles with the whole supplemental heating scheme. Whats more is I'm getting an argus next week. So thats two cages that would need attention in that manner. My ackies are going to get set up in a stock tank early next week. After all the contemplating and the various posts/ answers I got I feel its the right way to go. The baby argus in a temp melamine cage for now. I've got a string of posts below if your interested in giving some suggestions. In the end I'm probably going to end up leaving the lights on and figureing out some kind of curtain scheme so the wife ain't complaining. Also, whats your thoughts on the fragility of the kim's I've got my eye on those. Someone posted about babies being hard to rear? If I did get a couple I'd like to get them as young as possible. What about shipping. their a pretty monitor I'd like to work with those guys. By the way I'm in wis. hence the supplemental heat issue. Let me know what you think, Thanx Clint.

lol, argus are great monitors. if my male that i raised up out of the egg does not sell for what i am asking, i will just keep him.

baby kimmies: my post to wingert will apply here, it is all the same with them, just supplement, provide water, don't scare the crap out of them.

argus: blow off a nuclear bomb next to the cage and watch as they are still perfectly happy . lol. argus are great animals with a good amount of attitude. they will use any size cage you give them (i.e. bigger the better) follow basic husbandry and you are in. they like to dig alot, provide more than a foot of dirt. feed adults f/t mice, they eat them well and they are the perfect size prey for an adult.

wives don't seem to mind reptiles much as long as they don't cost much, but then again, you are already screwed there

andrew

It was all fun and games till I told her what Joe wanted for his ackies plus shipping, She gets on e-bay and buys a new wedding ring she gets it and goes to the jeweler and decides she also going to have him make a matching band for it. Dam all got was a pair of ackies. I'm a couple of monitors away from catching up to her. The argus brings me a little closer. There costing in more ways than one. Did you say you have some kimberly eggs cooking, if so when would they be ready for purchase or are they already spoken for. Also if a guy wanted to set up a group of them is it better to get them from someone with multiple bloodlines, or is o.k to piece a group together. Although I'm a little leary of this as my ackies aren't getting along to well but its only been a couple of weeks. I got 1 from joe and 1 from prehistoric pets. Can a trio of kims get along together. There is not much info on these guys yet, so while your here i'll bug you about it. Thanx, Clint

People have not had success with kimmies for the above reasons i believe, they just can't follow some very basic instructions:

supplement, water, don't scare, don't bake.

what i mean by don't bake is that glaeurti like pilbaras seem to like lower baskings. my ackies will use 150, kims won't use 130 but will use 110 or 115. or again, sometimes they will use higher baskings and then they will get burnt. i have not seen that with any other monitors i have owned. maybe it is just my monitors in my cages or eric crider's in his or joe's in his?

if everything goes right this year i will have a few available. i am holding back if i am successful and joe wants a few.

if i am successful i will also have some pilbaras available, but again, i will be holding back most clutches if i am successful.

andrew

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Just kidding,

When are you gonna post some pics of your pilbaras? I might be in the market for some in a couple of months and just want to see some examples of joe's progeny... Talk to you later

bob
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You kept saying how you were going to get pics, hell if you can afford pilbaras, how in the world can you not afford a digital camera?? Mabey you and your partners should chip in, then you could get pics of all this breeding and show it. I don't claim anything I can't back up with pics, with all the b.s. in the monitor world, you just can't go about it any other way. At least I would figure you would have pics on your site, yeah? Anyway, my Griseus have been breeding all last night and today, here is a pic. Enjoy. -Jeff

first though, feel free and call joe, lol

i no longer have a partner, i just finished my bachelor's, i am still doing my internship, i work 40 hours a week and have a full time girlfriend, that on top of my monitors has kept me damn busy.

i have a digital camera and can take pics

give me a couple days, i have been stalling to give the new male time to settle in, he seems fine now.

and believe me, you are right, the site needs new pics.

like i need to update pics of my new striped bredls pythons (chocolate in color, very cool), the pils, new kimmie pics, new ackie pics and maybe even a few of my odds and ends like my jackson chams, axolotls and squamiger, see its a lot of pics, but it will be fun

cheers, andrew
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Most of my hot spots are run 24/7. One reason being that it makes the temps a little bit easier to control. In enclosures that actually have ambient lighting, those lights are on at night, off during the day. The little extra heat helps just a bit at night, and the lack of heat helps just a bit during the day. When it does get hot here, to the point it has an effect on cages, the hot spots are shut off during the day. It is just an added precaution so I don't accidentally cook any lizards.

As far as breeding goes, I can't answer that question, as I don't really know, although I suspect light is not directly a factor. Where the argus/ackies/goulds/peachies are when they are resting, it would make no difference which way the lights are, they are in the dark no matter what.

Good Luck,

--Robert