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in their literature or on their websites:

1. The net weight of each standard, non-custom cage or rack they offer.
2. The wattage of any heating product pre-installed on a specific cage or rack.

This information is important to me when evaluating whether or not to purchase a specific product.

-Joan

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Randall L Turner Jr.
www.aircapitalconstrictors.com

You never experience life until you have kids..then you realize what you should have done rather then what you did do

Very good point to make and here is my take on this .

For heating wattages in cages it canbe a variable subject but as a "standard" heating wattage atleast with flexwatt that i use and that being 11" rated @ 20watts per foot.With all of my cages the "standard heat in flexwat is 1/3 - 1/2 the floor or back of cage heated which is depending on the animal in the cage. so a 3 ft cage would have 40 watts of heat installed and larger cage like a say 4-6 ft cage would have 40-60 watts of heat installed. With the type lighing i use this also will add to the heat that is inside the cage the 20 watt halogen lights provide a basking area in the cage under the light of about 80 degrees , this can vary depnding on the height of the cage from 12-24 " or higher of course the higher the cage the lower the basking area on the floor will be so a 3 ft cage could have the potential to produce 60 watts of heat and also maintain a basking area of 80 degrees /- depending on the height.

Weight of a product:

This is also something that will be posted atleast on my site and will be posted one each actual cage is builttoa finished product with glass doors installed, what i do right now is "estimate the weights" of the cages until a actual cage is built this can be close to with in /- 5-8 lbs as my actual 1/2" products vary between the HDPP & the HDPE with the HDPE being the heavier of the two products i use .
HDPP weighs #45lbs per 4x8 sheet
the two HDPE products weigh:
HDPE weighs #75lbs per 60"x96" sheet
so with that until actual cages are built the actual weight is estimated by my by the sq footage used in the assembly of the cage
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Buisnesses come and go everyday, what keeps you here is how you treated the customer the day before....
Check out the new website at www.junglehabitats.com and www.junglehabitats.com/forums/portal.php

Depending upon the type of cage, and why you're wondering, weight might be less of an issue.
If you're contemplating aluminum caging and justwodnering what it's going to cost you in shipping; they're usually oversized packages, which means they will ship in the 10-20 pound weight range, even though they might only weigh 5-10 pounds.
If you're wondering about weight for ease of moving, it's a bit different, in that the bulk of the cage is usually going to necessitate two people handling it before the weight does (with aluminum)

If you're looking at the plastic cages, though, they can get quite heavy, very quickly. I think, given this feedback, we'll start putting the info on our site for the plastics!
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Justin, Julie and the menagerie...
www.baskingwonders.com

Not only does AP have great cages, but they also post the information you are talking about on their website. They can give out that information because they have actually built thousands of the cages they sell. Also, their cages are computer designed and robotically manufactured. Each model is consistent in quality, tested, and proven. What the guy from Jungle habitats said is true if you are purchasing a cage, from a company that has never built that particular cage before. Personally I would be reluctant to by a cage from a cage manufacturer who has no experience building what I am paying for.
Animal Plastics

Let me tell you, some of the first AP cages I ever sold I sold to a gentleman that is a professional cnc machinist. I had hyped him up about the $100,000 router that mark uses and so on. Well the cages arrived and my customer (who i also consider a friend) calls me up and laughed at me. He said the build quality was very good, but it was obviously hand cut- there were rough edges and such that although minor showed that the plastic was cut by hand by a professional.

Don't believe the hype, believe what you need to know. The build quality of AP cages IS excellent. But they're not the only ones out there doing the exact same thing. Go with the company that meets your needs.

And most importantly, don't dismiss the new guy.
AP was the new guy less than a year ago.
Had anyone ever heard of AP? Anywhere? Before a few people decided to test the waters for this new product?

JungleHabitats has had a public presence breeding herps and building custom cages for some time. Their quality, honesty, dedication, innovation, etc... is now going to be put to the test on a large scale and I believe they will endure.

Most importantly, I believe we as hobbyists will win out regardless.
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E2MacPets
http://www.e2macpets.com

I want to make it clear that I am an affiliate of Animal Plastics and if my post came across as being negative towards AP then I must emphasize the opposite.

I intended my post to be a story in response to the unjustified negative criticism I have seen of JungleHabitats being the new guy and I feel I should clarify a few details:

AP products are machine made to the highest standards, that is a fact. That my friend, customer, and experienced machinist remained skeptical should be countered by saying this: one year later the cages I sold him remain in use and he is currently preparing to make a new order for AP cages that should be testiment to both the quality of AP's product and the ability of the new guy on the block to triumph.

My stance as a business and as a hobbyist is that I will always provide the highest quality products and the greatest degree of disclose about those products. Competition and innovation. My ability to work with these two great companies makes me feel proud of my place in this industry.
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E2MacPets
http://www.e2macpets.com