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I can't believe what I am reading down in those posts.

You sit on your couches and reap the benefits of this country but want to bash everything and everyone the USA helps.

I don't know why any of you stay in this country? Ah, is it the simple fact that you know you won't have it any better anywhere else? Here's a novel idea...LEAVE!!!!

If you are so concerned about the Iraqi people get off of your lazy butts and go over there and help!! Furthermore, I don't see any of you running for polical office to try and help. Ah, but you know all don't you?

You know, if your not going to be part of the solution, SHUT UP!!

I have never posted here before nor am I on these forums often, but browsing around here tonight I realize that you people have WAY TOO MUCH time on your hands and could be doing something a whole heck of a lot more productive than this.
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Gregory S. Hake

>>I can't believe what I am reading down in those posts.

Then don't read them Problem solved!

>>You sit on your couches and reap the benefits of this country but want to bash everything and everyone the USA helps.

Helps? lol You have been indoctrinated very well..

>>I don't know why any of you stay in this country? Ah, is it the simple fact that you know you won't have it any better anywhere else? Here's a novel idea...LEAVE!!!!

Why do you stay in this Country? Seriously please answer..

>>If you are so concerned about the Iraqi people get off of your lazy butts and go over there and help!! Furthermore, I don't see any of you running for polical office to try and help. Ah, but you know all don't you?

Assuming by the sarcasm in that statement you actually assume YOU know whats right for the Iraqi people. So what is "RIGHT" for those people?

>>You know, if your not going to be part of the solution, SHUT UP!!

lol does that mean go and enlist? Follow without question every decision this administration makes? Regardless if you see faults, and what is basically plundering of our Treasury taking place?

>>I have never posted here before nor am I on these forums often, but browsing around here tonight I realize that you people have WAY TOO MUCH time on your hands and could be doing something a whole heck of a lot more productive than this.

And what would that be? Do enlighten us with your vast knowledge..

First off, I don't need to leave the U.S. because I don't live there (and I don't aspire to live there).

You suggest to help the people in Iraq? Help them against whom? Against the U.S. military that bombed them back to stone age for the sake of not existing weapons of mass destruction and for the sake of Israel that feels safer now and for the sake of boosting the U.S. industry and get hands on the oil that is buried in the Iraqi soil?

I think the Iraqi people has got unwanted help enough and I would not exclude that the U.S. are the ones who could do with some help now. Situation gets out of hand more and more and after the first free elections you will have to deal with another regime of Mullahs beside the one in Iran.

"Elections" resulted in a strengthening of the Mullahs in Iran and the next country with a similar government will be the Iraq thanks to the brilliant mind of George W. Bush.

It would have been better if certain persons WOULD have remained sitting on their couches eating french fries and watching a daily soap instead of making certain decisions.

You suggest to help the people in Iraq? Help them against whom?

Against Saddam!

Aren't you aware that most of the people in Iraq lived in squalor? Some, (the bathists) lived like kings while other people were living in unbelievably bad conditions. Many cities hadn't had power in many many years, because Saddam didn't like them. Now, thanks to the US, they have power once again. Saddam destroyed Iraq and it's people for his own power and wealth. Why do you think the vast majority of Iraqis support our action in Iraq? Because they had it so good under Saddam?

Think a little before you say things like this!

Rodney

They love us today Rodney...but (as the song goes) will you still love me tomorrow? The thing most westerners don't understand is that Middle Eastern politics are more fickle than even the French!

Yeah, we did a good thing for them in getting Sadam off their backs...and most will appreciate it for a while...But it is just plain true that we were just making room for the next group of abusers that will move in when we leave. it is a part of their culture and as insane as it is to us, they take comfort in, and even are defensive about it.

Watch the drift as time goes on...more and more we will become the invaders, the enemy that is corrupting their religious values and forcing (western)government upon them. Allready they are claiming that attacks on their own people are actually being committed by us!

They will call the newly elected officials "western puppets" and they will support a new leader "A Strongman" to oust the "illegal Foreign Government" who will start the pattern of abuse all over when he finally does take power. And then again will come the cry for help and the pattern will continue....and again ....and again....

Shoot, even the French have forgotten that we bailed them out (WW1, WW2) twice. Can you say selective memory? Try looking under ingrates.

A classic example is Haiti. Papa Doc is out, they put in Baby Doc...We gave them the Democratic leader they wanted and now look what's happening...Looks like we're going back.(Genetic French influence?(lol)

As I said once before, Fanatics don't fight for a few years like we do. They fight in generation after generation. look even at Ireland...and of course the Palistinians.

The problem is that these places end up as quagmires for the unfortunates who come to "liberate" them.

The French (Algeria) and the Russians (Afghanistan)both learned their lessons in dealing with Arabs. It is a matter of history.

Successful change can only come from the inside-Not from foreign intervention. That is why the American Revolution worked. That is why we lost in Viet-Nam.

I am not anti-war when there is a reasonable hope that by fighting we assure a positive outcome. I really think we made a big mistake in not just walling off the area and letting them eliminate themselves.

I counted all the Amen's to calling those who disagree with the "Hawks" on this forum anti-American. I'm a Veteran....How many of you who call others anti-American served? it's easy to wave the flag when other's do your fighting for you.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I too served, and I love my country very much!

Eric

God bless America! If it weren't for leaders like Bush we would be just another 3rd world country trying to survive a daily dose of terrorist bombings.
We may not have had 911 if the Clinton administration had been willing to take Bin Laden into custody when he was offered to him on a silver platter. I thank God that we are living in the U S A under a leader who isn't afraid to stand for something other than a kneeling intern!

Eric

Acting like you did is the perfect way to create your daily dose of terrorism.

If you don't believe it then just look at Israel. Or would you regard this country as lenient as to terrorism?

We already got our daily dose of terrorism. Remember 9/11? We got 9/11 because ilsamofascists hate modernism, the west, and anyone who doesn't think like they do-even moderate muslims.

Now, when we try to stop terrorism, you say we are asking for it? Since we got hit first, you assume by doing nothing we won't get hit again?

Good logic!

Rodney

... the scalpell, not with the broadsword.

Good post.

If Clinton would have been proactive we may have never seen 9-11. Bush became proactive not wanting thousands of innocent Americans dead again and he gets nothing but disrespect for it.

The right man was put in office at the right time to take care of business!
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Gregory S. Hake

Clinton didn't put both Osama and Saddam in power. Guess whos daddy did? lol Lets go to the root of the problem.

You're reaching now. Saddam was in power LONG before either Bush was in power.

reaching? Your going to tell me that the US played NO part in Saddam's rise to power?

Sure we did. If we hadn't, Iran would have rolled over Iraq years ago. At the time, that was considered to be far worse than not helping Saddam.

Funny thing about liberals.

If this country is given only 2 choices. Choice one is bad. Choice two is worse.

We choose choice one.

Some liberals hate this country so much, they will always blame this country for making the better choice, and in doing so, they will ignore history, and the fact that we made the best choice at the time.

Rodney

Well said. The Bush/America bashing gets old. Maybe the bashers could tell us who has a better country and why. It should get fairly quiet in here.

It is interesting though how they can't do this.
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Gregory S. Hake

but not only can't they find a better country, they can't find a better solution to any of the problems they criticize the US for.

Rodney

n/p
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Gregory S. Hake

Hey as I said above...Cut the Middle East off and let them kill off themselves. Without us to focus on, they will break down into tribal/religious warfare.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."