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i know that people mix the different types of panthers like 1/2 nosy be with 1/2 tamative but has anyone had any sucess with ones like panther and vield and so on. i mean it can be done, they are the same speices right. kinda like dogs, dogs is what they are and then they go ito sub catagories. arent chameleons the same.
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1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
1.0 Doberman (Aries)
1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)

chameleon is not a species. panther and veilds and jacksons and so on are the species. chameleon is more of the genus, such as the genus furcifur and chamaeleo and calumma and so on. you can breed within species, but not genus. that is what set genus and species apart from one another. so to answer your question: no, you cannot breed different species of chameleons with each other.

>>chameleon is not a species. panther and veilds and jacksons and so on are the species. chameleon is more of the genus, such as the genus furcifur and chamaeleo and calumma and so on. you can breed within species, but not genus. that is what set genus and species apart from one another. so to answer your question: no, you cannot breed different species of chameleons with each other.

Actually, you are both wrong. Old world chameleons are a family (Chamaeleonidae). This is comprised of two subfamily (Chamaeleonidae and Brookesianae). These two subfamily are comprised of 6 genera (Calumma, Chamaeleo, Brookesia, Bradypodion, Furcifer and Rhampholeon) and the genera Chamaeleo is divided into two subgenera (Chamaeleo Chamaeleo and Chamaeleo Trioceros). Each genera/subgenera has a series of species/subspecies amounting to over 160 species. Vieleds (Ch. Ch. calyptratus) and Panthers (F. pardalis) are from two different genera, nothing like dogs which are the same species. Crosses have been said to occur between species of the same genera but only seldomly and it is highly frowned upon. I know of crossed between Ch. T. sterndeldi and Ch. t. jacksonii merumontanus, between F. pardalis and F. oustaleti and between F. pardalis and F. verrucosus. I would never recommend people attempt these crosses however and personally disapprove of it and even crossing localities of a species, like F. pardalis.

Chris
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Chris Anderson
parsonii_hoehnelii@hotmail.com
Chameleon Care and Information Center (CCIC) - http://www.geocities.com/ccicenter/
Chameleons Online E-zine - http://www.chameleonnews.com/
Captive Chameleon Bloodline Tacking Database - http://www.chameleondatabase.com/

In the boook "The chameleon handbook" by Francois LeBerre, he mentions that he had previously attempted to interbreed different species of chameleons. It is almost impossible (it has happened before, but not with good results in most cases). Different species have different bodily features like colour patterns, colours, the shapes of their bodies (ie. size of the body or shape of the head), and the horns, casques etc. This makes it almost impossible as the chameleons would barely even think about mating with another species. The only real possible inter-breeding you can do is between subspecies (sometimes), and different colour morphs/areas of origin.

>>In the boook "The chameleon handbook" by Francois LeBerre, he mentions that he had previously attempted to interbreed different species of chameleons. It is almost impossible (it has happened before, but not with good results in most cases). Different species have different bodily features like colour patterns, colours, the shapes of their bodies (ie. size of the body or shape of the head), and the horns, casques etc. This makes it almost impossible as the chameleons would barely even think about mating with another species. The only real possible inter-breeding you can do is between subspecies (sometimes), and different colour morphs/areas of origin.

I have to disagree with you. Females of many species look superficially similar. Additionally, males of many species are very overzealous and will try to breed with anything that moves. As a result, this barrier to reproduction relating to the willingness of the animals to breed it not a major factor. While some species are far to different from eachother genetically and morphologically to hybridize, others have not speciated as far away and it is still a possibility. Hybridization of color morphs and localities is a totally different topic although I don't think it should be done either. The bottom line is, cross species/subspecies hybridization isn't always successful, even if copulation is, and it is not recommended by anyone to do it. It happens in the wild from time to time in which case it is refered to as a naturally occuring hybrid (Ch. Ch. calyptratus calcalifer is actually a hybrid of Ch. Ch. arabicus and Ch. Ch. calyptratus). I believe anyone trying to hybridize is foolish and I think most would agree it is detremental to the captive management of these species.
Chris
Captive Chameleon Bloodline Tracking Database (CCBTD)

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Chris Anderson
parsonii_hoehnelii@hotmail.com
Chameleon Care and Information Center (CCIC) - http://www.geocities.com/ccicenter/
Chameleons Online E-zine - http://www.chameleonnews.com/
Captive Chameleon Bloodline Tacking Database - http://www.chameleondatabase.com/

do u know where a good website that states all the different generas and all the info u said
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1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
1.0 Doberman (Aries)
1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)

try this one
adcham

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groups.msn.com/JEChameleons
1.2 Chameleo Calyptratus
1.1 Furcifer Pardalis (Diego Suarez)
0.1 Furcifer Pardalis (Nosy Be)
0.0.1 Chameleo Melleri

>>do u know where a good website that states all the different generas and all the info u said
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>>1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
>>1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
>>2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
>>1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
>>1.0 Doberman (Aries)
>>1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)

Go to the EMBL Reptile database (linked below). Then click Lizards. Under the Order Squamata and Infraorder Iguania, click the family Chamaeleonidae. Rather than link you directly to the Chamaeleonidae page, I figured you might be interested to see the whole breakdown.
Chris
EMBL Reptile Database

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Chris Anderson
parsonii_hoehnelii@hotmail.com
Chameleon Care and Information Center (CCIC) - http://www.geocities.com/ccicenter/
Chameleons Online E-zine - http://www.chameleonnews.com/
Captive Chameleon Bloodline Tacking Database - http://www.chameleondatabase.com/