I just read a post about a gecko that may have parasits or something and has black along its belly. GoldenGatesGecko sudgested that if you cant save it you shouldnt let her suffer. So i am just asking how would you kill it without feeling horrible?
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How would you kill your leo???
LeopardGeckoMan
Feb 23, 2004 08:28 PM
Replies (27)
paradisio
Feb 23, 2004 08:31 PM
Well first I would take it to a vet to make sure you are even diagnosing it correctly... and maybe have them euthise it...
But if you insist on doing it, C02 chamber would probably work.
LeopardGeckoMan
Feb 23, 2004 08:34 PM
Oh well i dont think the kid can take his leo to vet.
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paradisio
Feb 23, 2004 08:39 PM
Honestly, what do you want me to say? The black spot could be his liver, and he might kill him for having a liver, I don't think I want to give advice to someone who is going to self euthenize their animal because they think it is deceased but won't take them to a vet.
paradisio
Feb 23, 2004 08:40 PM
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LeopardGeckoMan
Feb 23, 2004 09:05 PM
I didnt mean to offend you and it isnt my leopard gecko so you dont have to get all pissed off at me for asking the damn question.
all i was asking was is there a humane way to kill a leo without having to do it yourself...
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paradisio
Feb 23, 2004 09:13 PM
I am not "pissed off" my post doesn't contain any anger, just my thinking on this subject...
So he wants to kill his leo but doesn't want to do it himself?
Dedalus
Feb 23, 2004 09:17 PM
Ok guys, heres how it would happen IF you wanted to do it, not saying you do or anything like that. You take the leo to the vet and ask to have it euthanized. The vet will most likely use lethal injection. I don't know many vets that have a CO2 chamber or anything like that. The gecko will be dead in seconds no more pain. It's the same process they use for dogs, cats, etc. Just a smaller dose.
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LeopardGeckoMan
Feb 24, 2004 05:56 PM
I have no clue what he wants to do i was just asking how you would kill it.
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calgecko
Feb 23, 2004 09:28 PM
>>Oh well i dont think the kid can take his leo to vet.
Why NOT? Why would someone not take a sick animal to the vet? Would his parents not take him to a doctor if he was sick? If it's a matter of price, why the heck does the kid have a pet in the first place? His parents should pay if he's that young and still living with mommy and daddy. If they won't, I would suggest contacting SPCA for animal neglect.
Crap, that just irks me.. would a parent euthanize their kid if they thought he/she was sick, but didn't want to bother with a doctor's visit? NO. Why should a pet be different???
People who treat animals as replaceable objects pi$$ me off to no end (if that's not clearly obvious).
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0.1 fiance - Emily, the greatest woman in the world 
LeopardGeckoMan
Feb 24, 2004 06:01 PM
I dont think that it is really nessessary to express your anger to me or at me. If you would like to [bleep] at someone why dont you talk to PSPGUY hes the one with the sick leo. And i never and he never said that he was going to kill it someone just suggested that he would do it if he couldnt cure the leo.
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thegeckobarn
Feb 23, 2004 09:19 PM
OK, let's get back to the question and quit bickering.
Honestly, though, this leo needs to be taken to the vet. You should not try to euthanize it on your own, for 2 reasons that I can think of upfront.
#1 - you don't know that it's really actually sick and cannot be cured.
#2 - you might end up making it even more miserable than it is now, since you don't have the proper training for something like (I'm assuming you don't, since you're asking the question).
It's like, say your dog is really sick. You're not sure what's wrong with her, and you think she might be terminally ill. But, Hey, you're just a kid, so you can't take her to the vet. So you "put her down" yourself. Then you learn that it was ust a cold. Oops.
Whether he's a kid or not, he or his parents or someone with the ability Need to get this Leo to a Vet. That's one of the responsibilities that comes with owning ANY kind of animal. If they're sick, you need to make absolutely sure WHY they're sick and WHAT they're sick with BEFORE you take any drastic measures.
Anyhoo That's my Shpill...
~~Dusty
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Crystal Light (Yes..thats my real name)
*Whenever you lose a gecko, just think of it as God building on his own Leopard Gecko collection
Dedalus
Feb 23, 2004 09:27 PM
radioactive monkey feces
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GoldenGateGeckos
Feb 23, 2004 09:53 PM
I have a lot of mixed feelings on this topic. The biggest part of me cannot understand why people have pets when they cannot afford to provide them with the necessary veterinary care that is required to keep them healthy. That same part of me is heartsick when there is no hope for saving a poor, sick animal, and making the decision to either let it die naturally (in agony) or end it's suffering by taking it to the vet and having it humanely euthanized by lethal injection.
The situation is this... if you don't have the money to take it to the vet to diagnose and treat the problem in the first place, how are you going to come up with the money to take it to the vet to put the suffering animal to sleep? Come on, folks! How can we expect the general population to accept that reptiles are legitimate pets, and are NOT disposable, whe we ourselves aren't willing to bear the responsibility of providing them with the care they need? We certainly wouldn't do that if it were a kitty or a puppy!
BUT! There is also a part of me that can completely understand how we can impulsively take an animal, thinking we can make a difference, and wind up over our heads when the little thing starts having problems that we did not anticipate. The bottom line is, when we take on the responsibility for another living creature, we should be willing and capable of making the necessary choices that come along with that responsibility.
Sorry for the rant...
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
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Dedalus
Feb 23, 2004 10:14 PM
Theres no reason to be sorry at all. It's an issue that many people won't discuss at all. So we need to get some input from anyone we can. I've been thinking of creating some kind of online petition to request better care of reptiles and amphibians in commercial petstores. I just don't know how well it would work or what channels to use to make a difference.
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Whether we are good or evil.
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leos4you
Feb 23, 2004 10:24 PM
Ya know, we really should start a petition!! But who would we turn it into that would really make a difference?(honest question not being doubtful, I really want to do this..) Maybe I could put a guestbook on my site, and have ppl sign it who think that petstores should take good care of reptiles(or ANY animals!!). What do ya guys think?? Or should we start up a site about it? Well, ne1 interested email me @ princess_rufus0890@yahoo.com Ok? Help me make a difference!!
Alyssa
Dedalus
Feb 24, 2004 12:02 AM
I have a friend who could host a website for free. I just need to work on designing the form. We would also have to figure out who needs to read it. Id suggest sending it to the corporate offices of all the major pet stores in north america. If we get enough people to "sign" it someone may start to listen and actually inform the stores of proper husbandry procedures.
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The universe is vast and we are so small.
There is only one thing we can truly control.
Whether we are good or evil.
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1.0.0 Patternless Leopard Gecko
0.1.0 Veiled Chameleon
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon
thegeckobarn
Feb 24, 2004 05:29 AM
Send it to US Senators, House of Representatives, etc., right? The people who pass the laws. And any Animal Rights Organization (PETA, SPCA).
And make sure that you know what kind of info you'll need from each person so that it's an official petition. Since it's online, you can't get their real signatures, so you need to find out what information you'll need to make it valid.
If you do, let me know. I'll sign it.
~~Dusty
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Crystal Light (Yes..thats my real name)
*Whenever you lose a gecko, just think of it as God building on his own Leopard Gecko collection
LeopardGeckoMan
Feb 24, 2004 06:10 PM
We really do need to get a site up for petstores. i am betting that the SPCA or even the FBI would take 3,000 signitures about these animals. The FBI would take it for cruelity to animals. I now this because this one woman that was the manager of a McDonalds near where i live took a shot gun to her work and shot cats that were in the carbages and she was sent to jail fora long time and she still is ( this was years ago ). But the only problem with this is that, for example i could keep signing this but typing in false names because its just virtual writting. So on that case it would be just a waste of our money.
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Dedalus
Feb 26, 2004 12:30 PM
It wouldn't cost a thing, but I understand what your saying. It's true theres no way to verify who's signing what over the net. But there has to be some way we can do this. It's just gonna take a lot of work, maybe more than any of us has time for.
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The universe is vast and we are so small.
There is only one thing we can truly control.
Whether we are good or evil.
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1.0.0 Patternless Leopard Gecko
0.1.0 Veiled Chameleon
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon
marla
Feb 26, 2004 02:44 PM
i feel so dumb for being so late to this string of posts. but here is an online, legitimate way to make a petition for free:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com
many large organizations use it. i hope someone reads this & gets this info...
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marla
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AgentOfLillith
Feb 23, 2004 10:00 PM
from what you tell me, the gecko is curable. Parasites are no big thing, a few doses of drugs will clear it up fine.
Also, how do you know it's parasites without taking the gecko to the vet and having a fecal done? Do you actually see worms in his poo?
If I were you, and I had no money, I'd take the gecko to the vet just to see if he/she'd humor me. I'm sure most responsible vets will atleast take a look at the animal even if you can't pay. And even if I HAD to pay, I'd do side jobs, chores, any work I can find to make the money to pay the vet bills. Saying "I'm just a kid with no money" is not a valid excuse.
Euthenasia is a very touchy subject. I would only resort to it if it is very clear that the animal will not make it and is in serious pain, otherwise take this thought out of your mind completely. There have been numerous accounts of geckos on the verge of death coming back to life in kicking health. Do not take euthanasia lightly, to kill is to kill, you can't take away the simple truth of the matter.
Also, simply because someone said something, do not take it as absolute. You yourself need to make your own decision whether a person's word can be trusted or not.
-Lemur 6
GoldenGateGeckos
Feb 23, 2004 10:08 PM
I hope you are not misunderstanding what I said in the post below. What I said was:
"If it gets to the point where you honestly feel like this little creature is not going to survive, then please do not let it suffer needlessly. Euthanize it humanely."
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
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AgentOfLillith
Feb 23, 2004 10:35 PM
I was speaking in general terms (i.e. black belling pointing to parasites), I actually didn't know it was you who suggested Euthanization until I just read your post and scratched my head a bit wondering what you were referring to.
-Lemur 6
ew1074
Feb 23, 2004 10:15 PM
Buying a pet animal without taking into consideration the care and treatment that it needs (including proper funding) is just plain irresponsible. Someone has to take responsibility, if its just a kid, then the parents should be helping fund the animal, or they shouldnt have allowed it to begin with. It doesnt speak very well to their integrity.
GoldenGateGeckos
Feb 23, 2004 10:27 PM
I guess I never gave my .02 worth on the proper way to euthanize a leopard gecko that has absolutely no chance of survival...
The obvious way (and most humane) would be to take it to the vet for a lethal injection. They will usually administer it directly into the heart, and death is instantaneous.
Second, as was mentioned, CO2 poisoning takes longer, but is preferred over other methods. The animal simply goes to sleep and dies from lack of oxygen to the brain.
Third, allowing the gecko to get cold and go into brumation, then putting it in the freezer. This way, the gecko is unconcious and should not feel the agonizing effects of freezing to death.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com
kalidraven
Feb 24, 2004 04:00 AM
another way is to use Ether,it will pass them out and then kill them from poisoning.
then there is the freezer,seems mean but you have to remember they are cold blooded so it kills them tons faster than a cat or dog.
trust me i went though all this with my water dragon who had zero hope of living and put him outside in -4F weather and he was gone in 15min,hardest thing i ever done but it was better than watching him have siezures every couple of hours so call me cruel or whatever but atleast i saved his misery.
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1.0 Water Dragon
GoldenGateGeckos
Feb 24, 2004 11:19 AM
Ether would be good IF you can get ahold of some. Since there have been reports that reptiles are in agony when their blood freezes rapidly when put directly into the freezer, it would be more humane to humanely render them unconscious prior to doing that.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
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