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So tell mr when did we start a pedigree system for ball pythons????
I have had several calls on a pair of hets i have been selling, and 85% of the callers are asking if i have "papers" ???
please someone out there let me know where i can go to register my animals with the ??? american reptile club maybe???
i must have been snoozing when all this came about, there must be a lot of people out there ripping buyers off selling normals as het, becouse buyers dont trust anyone anymore.
sad state we are in that people insist on "papers" that dont amount to a hill of beans before they will consider purchasing a snake from a breeder.
enough said
God Bless anyway
Hoosier Reptiles

All it means when they say papers, is like a recept with your signiture guranteeing that they are hets so that if somewhere down the road no visible morph is produced and the owners become questionable if whether or not it IS a het. they know exactly where that animal originated from and who to talk to about its genetics...........

All it is is a saftey procaution so that if someone is screwed they know who to talk to about the situation......

Hope that helped a little.......
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Mike and Eric
Captive Bred Reptiles

Hi! Here's what I do. Each animal get a record card at hatching. The record is similar to the ones I've gotten from other breeders, with a chart for feeding, sheds, etc. The chart is on the bottom of a full page record card. At the top, I have a description and ID number of the animal, a description and ID number of each of its parents, a detailed description of the genetic possibilities, and a picture. I'd be happy to e-mail you an example of the document, but I'm sure you can make your own. I just did it up in word, and plug in the particulars for each new animal. People really appreciate the "official birth certificate" I provide.

Joe Pociask Pythons

just curious what projects you're working on - as I live in Indy and hope to expand my collection this year.

Thanks!
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0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

the only projects i will continue are with western hognose and a few blood red corn morphs ie..pewter, blood amels, blood hypos and my albino ball pythons.
i have sold off more than 80% of my collection to concentrate on a few of my favorites.
it can get overwhelming if you let it!!!!
we really love the educational programs we do and also herp hunting(with a camera only) much more than having a house full of animals.
Chris
Hoosier Reptiles

Do you sell at the Midwest Reptile shows? I will be in the market for a hog and a corn sometime this year, and will keep an eye on your website for what you have available.
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Check Out My Albums

1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

All the 'papers' that I've received so far basically amount to nothing more then a sales slip with the sellers name address and phone number stating what was sold what it is het for and when it hatched... that kind of thing. That way if it is ever resold the seller has some way of proving that what they're selling is legitimate. Just type something up in Word, maybe add a picture of the snake and Viola... Papers... It's just a little extra customer service.

I don't think that there are a LOT of people ripping people off but it does happen and the fear is rampant. Especially with Hets since you won't know if you've been taken for years down the road.

But you are right.. Papers don't 'prove' anything. I have a friend who is sitting on a group of ballpythons that were sold to him as het piebalds for many thousands of dollars. In spite of the fact that he received papers guaranteeing their genetics and the animals were microchipped, he strongly suspects that he's been ripped off. The problem is he can't prove it until the snakes are old enough to breed.

Mark

>>So tell mr when did we start a pedigree system for ball pythons????
>>I have had several calls on a pair of hets i have been selling, and 85% of the callers are asking if i have "papers" ???
>>please someone out there let me know where i can go to register my animals with the ??? american reptile club maybe???
>>i must have been snoozing when all this came about, there must be a lot of people out there ripping buyers off selling normals as het, becouse buyers dont trust anyone anymore.
>>sad state we are in that people insist on "papers" that dont amount to a hill of beans before they will consider purchasing a snake from a breeder.
>>enough said
>>God Bless anyway
>>Hoosier Reptiles

not sure if I have all my facts right, but in theory if the snake lays 4 eggs, 1 would be the morph, 2 would be hets, and 1 would be normal. so you could end up with the normal and it would never prove out, isn't that just the risk you take with buying hets? yet I am sure they would blame the breeder right?

I believe in your example, what you would have is 66% Possible Hets because only 2 out of the 3 normal looking babies are actually het. That comes from the breeding of 2 hets.

If you have one animal that is homo for the trait and breed to another homo or het for that trait, then you get 2 homo and 2 hets. You can then call the normal looking babies 100% het.

-Jeremy

You are probably thinking about when somebody buys "possible hets" (either 50% or 66% chance of having the desired gene) But if you buy a 100% het it will ALWAYS have the gene present in the heterozygous form it will only have one copy of the gene, so in the case of a recessive trait, the snake would still appear normal but would still be capable of producing the desired mutation when paired with another snake that has the desired gene in either heterozygous form or homozygous form. (if paired with another het, 1 in 4 on average will be homozygous for the desired trait, if paired with a homozygous animal 1 in 2 will be homozygous for the desired trait)

Mark

>>not sure if I have all my facts right, but in theory if the snake lays 4 eggs, 1 would be the morph, 2 would be hets, and 1 would be normal. so you could end up with the normal and it would never prove out, isn't that just the risk you take with buying hets? yet I am sure they would blame the breeder right?

In the past month or so, I've purchased a few possible hets, 66% hets and 100% hets of some Ball Python Morphs. The "papers" I got with them ran from very Professional to something of a Joke.
I've attach a pic of two of the more professional ones.
You can clearly see, that all the important information is provided. Sire and Dame, date of hatch, weight if known, parents background, etc. Basically this is like a birth certicate for any het or possible het that is purchased. Some invocies I recieved weren't worth the paper they were written on. These I will consider normal balls, and sell as such.
Hope this helps...

Another Indiana Ball Breeder

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