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i already have a vield male chameleon and he is about 1 years old. i was planning on breeding him just so the kids could watch the eggs hatch, and maybe do and expierment with diff temps and substrate and other things to see if it affects the gender of the eggs or different lenghts and stuff in general.

well, i was wondering if keeping two female vields that were born at the same time would be able to be kept in the same cage. males are teratoral (spelling) and would fight if kept in the same cage, this i know, and so would a male and a female. but what about two females.. ive heard of breeders doing this with there females and have really had no problems.. does anybody do this here,
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Hi!

My experience says that females are just as territorial as the males...

I once tried to keep to young females (about 4 - 8 weeks old) together in a tank that was 60x70x140cm and they were still hissing and not excepting theier company....

So - no you can not house females together! ...but you can try, some are lucky and makes it work! I never have though!
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- Jonas Ott, Denmark

im bad with converting cm to in. what was that cage size in inches or feet even.
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1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
1.0 Doberman (Aries)
1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)

"Do you know what they call at quarderpounder with cheese in paris? - they don't call it a Quarderpounder with cheese? - no man they got the metrix system, they wouldn't know what the [bleep] a quarderpounder is..."

The cage is: 23x27x55 inches....
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- Jonas Ott, Denmark

If you insist on trying it have an extra cage on hand so when it doesn't work you can simply place one female in a separate cage.
Most breeders who house females together if at all usually have large cages not like the typical chameleon keeper.
I use 4ft X 2ft X 2ft for males and females although females can be housed in smaller cages.

Substrate doesn't affect sex but temps can determine length of time eggs incubate.

Sex doesn't really matter as females will get just as stressed as males. To keep two Veileds together without the fear of stress, the enclosure dimentions will be very very large.
Another thing, I don't reccomed breeding Veiled just for your children, It is a large possibility that you you will not see the neonate chameleons hatching out.

>>i already have a vield male chameleon and he is about 1 years old. i was planning on breeding him just so the kids could watch the eggs hatch, and maybe do and expierment with diff temps and substrate and other things to see if it affects the gender of the eggs or different lenghts and stuff in general.
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>>well, i was wondering if keeping two female vields that were born at the same time would be able to be kept in the same cage. males are teratoral (spelling) and would fight if kept in the same cage, this i know, and so would a male and a female. but what about two females.. ive heard of breeders doing this with there females and have really had no problems.. does anybody do this here,
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>>1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
>>1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
>>2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
>>1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
>>1.0 Doberman (Aries)
>>1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)
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-Jamie Whitehouse
-corn_snake_123@msn.com
-formally known as corn_snake_123

its not just so the kids can see them hatch, which i know may not happen when they are there, but like iv said, its so they can watch them grow up and watch the changes and so forth. and learn responsibilty b/c they are the ones going to feed the baby chams and clean the cages, and water the plants.

there going to try different temps on differnt batches of eggs and see if there are differences and so on, it'll be a learning thing as well as a fun thing.
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1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
1.0 Doberman (Aries)
1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)

Ok, It's just on your original you put "I'm planning on breeding them just so the kids can watch them hatch", when you put the word just, It's what made me think what I said.
Chameleons (as far as we know) can not be gender-determined through incubation temperatures, but I doubt we can be 100% so good luck.

>>its not just so the kids can see them hatch, which i know may not happen when they are there, but like iv said, its so they can watch them grow up and watch the changes and so forth. and learn responsibilty b/c they are the ones going to feed the baby chams and clean the cages, and water the plants.
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>>there going to try different temps on differnt batches of eggs and see if there are differences and so on, it'll be a learning thing as well as a fun thing.
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>>1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
>>1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
>>2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
>>1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
>>1.0 Doberman (Aries)
>>1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)
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-Jamie Whitehouse
-corn_snake_123@msn.com
-formally known as corn_snake_123

I agree with all the nono on houseing a pair together, but it realy depends on the individual animals. I am just about to get 2 adult females from a guy, and i bought all the supplies for 2 seperate cages and even built one of them. Turns out, he keeps them in the same enclosure and he says they are so close it would stress them out more to be seperated then it would to be together (this is a rare situation, and unfortunately for me, i have to go return most of the stuff i bought for one of the cages).

If you ask me, you need to experiment. If there are any signs of stress on either chameleon, then seperate them. If you want to house them together from very very early on, then your chances of having 2 social chameleons are much better.

good luck breeding them!

The guy who told you that is a joke. A Veild stressing if you separate them lol lol..
If you want to count pennies then just do it just don't make excuses for not spending the cash. I know you bought the supplies, point is your taking it back..
When you have failure please don't post what should i do my chameleon isn't eating or veilds were fighting and one has an injured leg what should i do..
You and others insist on trying to house them together and use any excuse to do so. Just take it to the vet or if it's dead bury it and let that be your little secret.

Hey, man
Don't critisize me for something another guy said. I was over-exaggeratin on the stress if they were seperated. They have been housed together in quite a small enclosure their whole lives and have already laid one clutch of infertile eggs each, which can't be done under stress as you know!
The cage i have built for them is larger than their old one and they will only be happier.

Your post said nothing to show what you said was an exaggeration.
Below is a thread with everyone saying they shouldn't be housed together. Then you say a guy said the ones you are getting would stress since they are close.

You were the one who posted those comments not the guy selling them so accordingly you take the heat.
It's strange how chameleon keepers want to house them in the same cage. Maybe it's money or maybe they think in terms of people being social.
If you didn't know they should be housed separate maybe you should wait and buy them after doing more research or asking/buying from someone who knows what they're talking about..

You say the animals are housed in a small cage, and don't stress...

The reason for this maybe that the chameleons have so little space that they don't establish territories -> therefore they don't try to defend their territories...

If you put them in a bigger cage I bet you will soon see them "go crasy"... but thats your worry!
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- Jonas Ott, Denmark

I have made the descision to keep them seperate, not just because of the fact that them being together poses risks, but the actual breeding of them wouldn't end well if they fight over the male.
I'm sorry to upset those of you that critisize me for being malinformed...

It isn't just the sex of the chams that matters. Any group of chams will stress each other with one usually becoming dominant and hogging (or even defending) the basking spots, the food, the best hiding spots, drippers etc. The subordinant chams eventually lose condition, get sick, and/or die from stress. In the wild the subordinant chams have the choice to leave and find a new territory. Captive ones don't. Even if you offer multiple basking spots or feeder cups the presence of the dominant cham can still cause problems. Every once in a while someone has 2 chams that get along, but it is the exception.

Do NOT house 2 females together. Although there might be less overt aggression, there is stress. And stressing a female cham is far more dangerous than stressing a male cham because they already are more delicate due to the reproduction-related problem to which they are so susceptible.
Ed

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1.0. Vield Chameleon(Jessy James)
1.1.3 Sugar gliders(Bonnie & Clyde)
2.0 Ferrets(Butch & Sundance)
1.1.3 Parakeets(Prettyboy,Sassy)
1.0 Doberman (Aries)
1.1 Cats(Riley, Zoe)

I've only done it mostly for temporary purposes or unless we are really strapped for space...there didn't seem to be any problem...but I've seem my females chase each other off the trees they were sharing when they don't like the presenc eof the other so the females have to be a little bit compatable.

Nobody on this forum will probably recommend keeping any chameleons together but it seems to be fine for SHORT periods of time.

I'm sure after a while if not right away the chameleons get somewhat distressed having to share space with another.

I know a breeder who actually keeps 4 females with one male...all year round. Not saying it's right...but he gets eggs every year and his chameleons are well aged...4, 5, 9 years old.
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