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Zoso Feb 25, 2004 11:29 AM

Brandon,Andy,

This place weirds me out, but what the hay.

I've never tried it in open G before......I'll have to give it a go. I'm pretty much a "hobby" guitar player, playing only for the personal satisfaction. I just never seem to get much better (!).......I think some people have it and some don't, but the important thing is to just do it !! I usually try to do things the hard way, but since I have a Trilogy multi tuning bridge on the guitar I built, I'm always open to trying a familiar song in different tunings. That one chord that is slid at the end of the phrase....dont recall the name...but its hard to move to it quickly....you know the one. If I could get that one down I might do the song justice.

Bottlenecks/slides !! I've got about a dozen of them collecting dust at this point !! Just cant seem to get the sound right, and my dog threatened to leave me........so.

Would be nice to be the owner of a vintage Gibson 12 string !! My wife keeps my guitar budget very low, so I doubt I'll ever leave a store or swap with any kind of Gibson.

Andy.....I'm into the "Seattle" sound too, though probably not as much as someone like yourself (ie young, still hip). Its all good, though I agree with your statement about where music is headed these days. Still some diamonds in the rough out there though.

Brandon, Andy.......feel free to e-mail me at wsurftoga@aol.com anytime, we all obviously have herps and music at least somewhat in common, and I'd love to hear more from each of you.

(And I'm always looking for people to send pics of my guitar to, I'm kinda proud of it..........hey, hey what can I say)

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snakeguy88 Feb 25, 2004 03:50 PM

That is awesome dude. I would love some pics if you could send them to snakeguy88@aol.com. I used to be into more of the mainstream seattle sound, but it just sort of got old...monotonous I suppose. I still havn't figured out how to play my guitar...Between work, fishing, herping, and surfing, I have little time for anything else. But my post has to be cut short as I have work in a few minutes. Pe@ce. Andy
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MartinWhalin1 Feb 26, 2004 12:49 AM

>>"I still havn't figured out how to play my guitar"

And you won't listening to that Seattle crap! lol Just kidding. AIC is one of my favorite bands. Personally I play in a Ghettograss band. Uh..we invented it. We've got a great traditional/bluegrass version of Sludge-factory. Just imagine a guy with a banjo and a hillbilly accent chanting "you're weapon is kill...kill...kill" We think it's funny but the crowd usually just gives us a confused stare. lol I also play a heartfelt version of "Hit me baby one more time" in which I stop the song and start over everytime somebody laughs. After a while it ceases to be funny and nobody laughs. I then get to play the entire song...my version: roughly 7 or 8 minutes.

Good to know their are other herper/musicians.
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snakeguy88 Feb 26, 2004 03:53 PM

Haha beautiful! Have you heard the AIC live DVD version of Sludge? The beginning is hilarious.
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The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

MartinWhalin1 Feb 27, 2004 12:12 AM

Yeah, I just watched it this morning. I think Lane did pretty good considering he could hardly balance himself on the stool or focus his eyes. lol Poor fella. You are talking about the unplugged dvd, right? Is there another live DVD. I've always wanted to see a live electric show without having to watch "Singles" lol
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snakeguy88 Feb 29, 2004 05:08 PM

There is a live show in Singles? I have the soundtrack...which is a pretty good one IMO. There are a few clips of live concerts in the Music Bank DVD, but most of it is just music vids and random clips of random events. I downloaded a live version of Bleed the Freak which was pretty good. But yes, the one I was talking about was the Unplugged. I love how Layne messes up right in the middle of Sludge Factory and says (insert 4 letter word here)!
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Andy Maddox
AIM: SurfAndSkimTx04
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

metalshrek Feb 27, 2004 12:54 AM

>Personally I play in a Ghettograss band. Uh..we invented it.

I believe I personally would file that under the category of newgrass. There are some great newgrass bands out there, but some are ridiculous. Just remember it's about the music itself, not trying to find a style wierder than everyone else's.

>We've got a great traditional/bluegrass version of Sludge factory.

Can Sludge Factory be traditional? He he. I'd be interested to see how your banjo player rolls over the verses.

>Just imagine a guy with a banjo and a hillbilly accent chanting "you're weapon is kill...kill...kill"

I thought it was "your weapon is GUILT"

>We think it's funny but the crowd usually just gives us a confused stare.

I have played unorthodox music for quite a while and I know all about the confused stare.

>lol I also play a heartfelt version of "Hit me baby one more time" in which I stop the song and start over everytime somebody laughs. After a while it ceases to be funny and nobody laughs. I then get to play the entire song...my version: roughly 7 or 8 minutes.

I would probably leave if I had to sit through 2 minutes of that song, let alone 7. What is the point of the whole stop if someone laughs thing?

>>Good to know their are other herper/musicians.

Yeah, we're going to try and take over this forum.
Brandon Bowers
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MartinWhalin1 Feb 28, 2004 03:05 AM

"I believe I personally would file that under the category of newgrass."

No, we're not that good.

"Can Sludge Factory be traditional? "

After rigourous testing...no.

"I thought it was "your weapon is GUILT"

Could be. I don't know, he sings it. Sounds fine to me.

"I have played unorthodox music for quite a while and I know all about the confused stare."

Tthe confused stare is what I work for. I don't rest until I've made everyone in the room uncomfortable.

"I would probably leave if I had to sit through 2 minutes of that song, let alone 7. What is the point of the whole stop if someone laughs thing?"

Honestly, sometimes I get an urge to leave while I'm playing that song. As far as the point...it's the confused stare.

Really are dumba$$ stuff only makes up about a tenth of our set. Tthe rest of it we actually put all our effort into it and we still get the confused stare. There's always at least one or two people who really dug the show and that's enough for me. Usually we're really drunk.
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Quotes from guys named Carl:

"Science stops at the frontier of logic. Nature does not, she thrives on ground as yet untrodden by theory."
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"It is foolish to let singleness of purpose deprive one of the joy and delectation of the many wonderful sights and sounds incidental to the quest."
-Carl Kauffeld

metalshrek Feb 27, 2004 12:42 AM

>>Brandon,Andy,
>>This place weirds me out, but what the hay.

Yeah, uh we need to change it from the "gay marriage discussion group" to the "we rock and if you don't like it leave" forum.

>>I've never tried it in open G before......I'll have to give it a go.

I play it standard, and I still think it isn't hard. It's just easier in open G.

>I'm pretty much a "hobby" guitar player, playing only for the >personal satisfaction.

All good guitarists play for personal satisfaction. If you play for money, you are the audience's puppet. The reason Led Zeppelin is called that is because they thought no one would like their music and it would crash and burn like a "zeppelin made of lead", but they went for it anyway because they liked it so much.

>I just never seem to get much better.

Then you aren't practicing enough (not to sound rude, but I have watched quite a few guitarists in their development, and practice along with knowing WHAT to practice is the difference.

>I think some people have it and some don't.

Practice, and you will have it. I will try to help. Post questions on this forum.

>That one chord that is slid at the end of the phrase....dont >recall the name...but its hard to move to it quickly....you >know the one.

First, I'll say that I'll try and post a thread about chord names soon. It is easier than you think.
For the Rain Song:
Try it like this:
E 65 ring finger
B 76 pinky
G 54 index finger
D 65 middle finger

Now, I would honestly suggest that you leave off the ring finger and not pluck the E string during the slide, because the high A note is also in the next chord. The reason it sounds okay on the recording is because the overdubbed guitar is dampening the effect of the repeated tone. Actually, leaving off the ring finger would make it easier to play as well.

>>Bottlenecks/slides !! I've got about a dozen of them >collecting dust at this point !! Just cant seem to get the >sound right, and my dog threatened to leave me........so.

When bottlenecking, ALWAYS remember: You play bottleneck with your ears, not your hands. You should be able to bottleneck blindly and let your ears lead the way. A little bit of music theory background helps, but a good ear is an okay substitute.

>>Would be nice to be the owner of a vintage Gibson 12 >string !! My wife keeps my guitar budget very low, so I doubt >I'll ever leave a store or swap with any kind of Gibson.

I actually only own two gibsons. One is the forementioned vintage 12 string acoustic and the other is an SG.

>>Andy.....I'm into the "Seattle" sound too, though probably >not as much as someone like yourself (ie young, still hip). >Its all good, though I agree with your statement about where >music is headed these days. Still some diamonds in the rough >out there though.

Music is timeless. I can't say that new music is bad because I know there are some kids sitting in a garage somewhere right now hearing Black Sabbath for the first time and trying to make real honest music. I agree that the bands that are POPULAR now suck, but the bands that were popular back then did too. We just don't remember them because they, like the pop music of today, were money driven fad bands that couldn't last. The bands that will continue to have a fan base 20 years from now are not the most popular today.

My e-mail is metalshrek@yahoo.com . I'll try and keep posting music related stuff in this forum, so post questions here, as there may be other guitarists out there who could benefit from the answers. P.S. I'm into all non-commercial forms of music.
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