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A few questions

Buckle Feb 25, 2004 09:58 PM

I just got a gray band this past weekend. He's my first snake and I want to make sure I don't make any mistakes with him so I have a few questions.

1. How long should I wait after feeding him to handle him?

2. Does he have to hibernate or can I keep him active year round? If so, what can I do to aid in the process?

3. He's fairly young but I would eventually like to spoil him with a huge enclosure. Is 45-55 gallon too big?

4. What is the best substrate to use? I don't care too much about expense.

5. He eats frozen pinkies already but what is a good alternative treat for him to eat when he gets bigger?

Any other advise is welcome.

Thanks.

Replies (5)

metalshrek Feb 26, 2004 12:42 AM

>>I just got a gray band this past weekend. He's my first snake and I want to make sure I don't make any mistakes with him so I have a few questions.

You're in the right place, amigo.

>>1. How long should I wait after feeding him to handle him?

That's really sort of a precautionary measure to keep the snake from regurgitating its food. I've never had a snake regurge from handling it, and I have moved them from feeding cups back into their enclosures right after feeding them. If you are talking about handling the snake for a good while or "playing" with it, I'd wait til the lump from its prey is gone.

>>2. Does he have to hibernate or can I keep him active year round? If so, what can I do to aid in the process?

Unless you are trying to breed it (are you certain it's male?), you should keep it active all year round, especially if it's female. If you brumate a female without putting her with a mate I believe egg-binding can occur.

>>3. He's fairly young but I would eventually like to spoil him with a huge enclosure. Is 45-55 gallon too big?

That's huge. I don't know exactly what it would hurt (I have heard that wide open containers can stress alterna out, but I don't know that that is true). I'd go with 10 gallons, 15 if it gets relatively long.

>>4. What is the best substrate to use? I don't care too much about expense.

The "best"? I think that depends on who you ask. I use pine and aspen shavings, and some people like carefresh paper bedding. You can use newspaper or paper towels, but provide a hide box. Honestly (I know some would disagree about this), I think sand would be great for an alterna. If you were to give it some wide flat rocks with a crevice between them about the width of your alterna and put it on sand, you'd come closer to the natural habitat than you ever could with wood shavings. Just be sure if you do that that your rock hide is sturdy and won't topple or slide and crush your little friend. Some people claim sand gets eaten by their herps and impacted, resulting in death, but I've never had this happen, and don't see how it would be different than in the wild.

>>5. He eats frozen pinkies already but what is a good alternative treat for him to eat when he gets bigger?

If you have a baby alterna that eats mice, you should be thankful. When he gets bigger just feed him bigger thawed mice. You might have some complications in switching his prey around.

>>Any other advice is welcome.

The ONLY reason people say alterna aren't the greatest herp for beginners is because of the feeding complications the babies have. You are already past that, so the rest will be easy. If you have any more questions, post them. I'm sure others will give you advice on the substrate.
Brandon Bowers

4everherpn Feb 26, 2004 02:09 AM

I prefer newspapers for substrate. It just seems real easy to clean. I clean mine when a nice plop is on there. Just pick the paper up and trash it. Replace with new paper. With loose substrates like sand and pine/aspen chips some of the of the substrate will stick to the bottom of the tank where moisture from its...feces/urates made it stick. With papers applied thick (three to five pages thick) no poo makes contact with the tank bottom. Makes clean up easier.

Bark is okay, but is expensive and graybands don't live in that stuff anyway. It would look strange for me to see a grayband in a tank with bark shavings in it.

Aspen and Pine can kill some odor that snakes can produce.

Sand is most natural, but does not serve in killing odor. It almost harbors stink. It looks cool though.

Graybands are not burrowers. Sure they live in rock cracks, but they do not dig into the ground. So I think loose substrates serve no purpose for them.

Papers are the best. My opinion only and there are plenty out there that agree and disagree with me.

Shrek is right...the rock idea with a hide box is the way to go. Your snake will love you for it. I recently had to take over caring for my professor's graybands at school. None had hides. Since they got hides I notice their demeanor is better. They like you and I like to feel secure and safe hiding somewhere.

Okay I'm shutting up now.
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14 Leopard Gackos 5.9.0
1 Baby Leo (Joi) 0.1.0 temp sexed
2 Tokay Geckos 2.0.0
1 Graybanded Kingsnake 1.0.0 (on vacation in my house)
1 Baird's Rat Snake (Thanks Vadoni!) 1.0.0
RIP Trachemys scripta elegans 0.0.1
coming soon...
1 Trans Pecos Rat Snake 0.0.1 (if I can fix his eye problem)

4everherpn Feb 26, 2004 02:10 AM

make sure you secure the lid. I'm waiting for mine to return. Got out 2 months ago.
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14 Leopard Gackos 5.9.0
1 Baby Leo (Joi) 0.1.0 temp sexed
2 Tokay Geckos 2.0.0
1 Graybanded Kingsnake 1.0.0 (on vacation in my house)
1 Baird's Rat Snake (Thanks Vadoni!) 1.0.0
RIP Trachemys scripta elegans 0.0.1
coming soon...
1 Trans Pecos Rat Snake 0.0.1 (if I can fix his eye problem)

Buckle Feb 26, 2004 09:07 PM

Thanks for the advice, guys. You answered a question before I have had a chance to ask it. I found it odd that he was jamming himself between the rock shaped water dish and the glass. After seeing your posts, I imagine that he thinks that's a great rocky place to hide. I am going to work on getting him a nice (and safe) rock pile to hide in.

timsoonerdad Mar 13, 2004 09:54 AM

My female got out a couple of weeks ago also, I can't find her, she had been cooled and ready to go, me and my male are desperatley looking for her

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