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Vision Cage Probe Placement and bowing problem

curt Feb 29, 2004 12:40 AM

Hi All,
I was hoping somebody could offer some advice about my vision cage (332). It's going to have a 3' Woma in it as soon as it's finished.

1) Where should I attach the probe?

2) The cage has bowed upward on the bottom, seemingly making the UTH fairy inefective. Should I attach the UTH to the cage instead of just placing underneath? Is there a good method for this?

Background info:
I'm using a 11X17 UTH (Ultratherm)
Pro Products 18X12 Heat Panel
Big Apple Thermostat
100W Ceramic bulb (will only use if the UTH and RHP can't do the job).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Curt

Replies (11)

tomas Feb 29, 2004 12:20 PM

I had a similar situation with my 332's after I left them in storage for a while with stuff stacked on top of them.

I forcefully pulled the bottom of the 332 back to straight and then put the glass in and usewd the cages normally. The weight of the glass will keep the bottom of the cage straight.

I have plenty of undertank heaters stuck to the bottom of my 332's. I usually use the heatwave 11 x 17 inch pads.

That 100 watt ceramic may be a bit of an over kill. Take a temp gun and shoot it at a 100 watt ceramic. It will show the bulb is up around 600 degrees. Any plastic turns to liquid at 600 degrees. I use 60 watt bulbs and it gets plenty hot enough for my varanids. A 60 watt should be plenty for a woma. I wouldn't have the UTH in the same place as the bulb, the two of them will over heat that area.

The guys at vision are happy to help with any questions. I have worked thru many questionable situations with them.

Curt Feb 29, 2004 03:54 PM

Thanks for the tip, I'll try and see if your solution to the bowing works. The UTH and the RHP aren't keeping the temp up enough, so I'll use the ceramic too, and I'm sure I've got a 60 watt around somewhere.

Cheers,
Curt

roachey56 Feb 29, 2004 07:30 PM

curt you should keep an eye on the pro products heat panel. They have been known to break.
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 ball python (felix)
1.1 feral cats (Fuzzy, and Bear)

jfmoore Feb 29, 2004 09:49 PM

What specific problems have you had?

Thanks,
Joan

roachey56 Mar 01, 2004 03:34 PM

i have never used pro products heat panels. i have heard stories and seen pictures of pro-products heat panels short out. proxotics had about 30% of their pro-products heat panels blown out when they ordered them. And pro-products said it was the first time it every happened, if 30% of $8000 worth of heat panels break would you use them? And i am pretty sure there is a helix panel of around the size he is using, I have never heard of a helix panel breaking.

that is a pic of 2 blown out pro-products heat panels.
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 ball python (felix)
1.1 feral cats (Fuzzy, and Bear)

Curt Mar 01, 2004 11:23 PM

Hi All,

Would still love an educated suggestion on where to put my probe from my thermostat. Would like to drill into my Vision in limited places.

I would think about two inches from the bottom, maybe 2/3'rds length wise accross the back, not directly beneath the RHP. But would love to hear what you'all experts think.

Thanks!
Curt

Thats the first I've heard of any problems with Pro Products panels. Hopefully it was a bad batch, or something that's been corrected. Luckily they're guarenteed for like 30 years, however that doesn't help if it goes out on a cold night.

roachey56 Mar 02, 2004 06:54 AM

if the vision is for a diurnal specie place it 1-2 inches above substrate level if using newspaper/papertowel if using a particle substrate place it at substrate level.
if the vision is for a nocturnal specie place it inside the hidebox on the warm end.
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0.1 Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 ball python (felix)
1.1 feral cats (Fuzzy, and Bear)

Curt Mar 03, 2004 12:49 AM

No message.

promist Mar 03, 2004 10:45 AM

I read your post regarding Pro Exotic's FAQ's and our Pro Heat radiant panels. Please understand that what Robyn is stating is not accurate and due to another issue we have with them (PE), they are trying their best to "hurt" our company reputation.
The facts of the matter are:
PE did buy panels from us in 1998. During the period they bought them, we did have a problem with a defective component from one of our suppliers that caused the copper buss to get hot enough to melt the surface coating directly over the buss, but not hot enough to cause other damage or a fire. This is why the damage is on one side of the panel in a more or less straight line. Even though this happened, the panels, due to their construction, can't support combustion and therefore can't catch on fire, period. The damage Robyn shows is the worst that could happen. For the panels he posted to be in the condition shown, they had to have been used for an extended period after the problem first occurred. The panels would first show small brown spots along the buss bar that would get progressively worse until the maximum amount of damage shown could occur. It would take many days or more of continued use/overheating to produce the damage shown. Our panels are ASTM rated E84 < 25, which is the same rating fiberglass insulation and other similar products are rated. Our panels can't catch on fire and are actually "self extinguishing". They are made of non combustible materials. He also states that over 30% of the panels burnt out in this fashion which is also untrue. Many of the panels he returned to us were still in working condition, but as evidenced by the extreme darkening of the surface, were obviously being used in a manner warned not to do in our instruction/warranty information. Despite this, we replaced these panels as well and didn't even bring up the issue of misuse. He implies our panels are made in a garage; well our "garage" is a 15,000sq. ft. facility.
Since we made our heating element in large runs, we really couldn't tell what pieces were defective (not every piece was), so this problem haunted us for a couple of years. However, any panel that did fail was replaced and for what it is worth, even some of the replacement panels failed because of the same problem for the reason explained above. I can state that these customers who had panels fail are still using the product and are happy with the performance, safety and our company service. If our panels were such fire hazards, these people obviously wouldn't continue to use them. We also completely changed the design of these panels to meet the harsher requirements of our zoo and other professional sales, so the panels he is showing aren't even being made anymore. It is interesting that he ordered the product back in 1998, but has waited until now to "warn" the public.
I invite anyone to investigate this story and find anyone who can back up Robyn's claim of our Pro Heat radiant panels ever having caused any damage, caught on fire or caught anything on fire. With the exception of the damage to the panel surface in the picture, even Robyn had no other problems. Our product is UL listed and ASTM rated. If our product was such a risk, then one would think with 10's of thousands of units being used worldwide, why isn't anyone else complaining about them. In fact, we have one of the best reputations for a heat source of all of the products being sold.

We invite anyone to contact us if they have any questions.

Bob Pound promist@bestweb.net
Pro Products www.pro-products.com

jfmoore Mar 03, 2004 03:52 PM

"i have never used pro products heat panels. i have heard stories and seen pictures of pro-products heat panels short out."

I've got 20 heat panels of various sizes from ProProducts controlled by proportional thermostats. They stay hooked up year-round and have been working great for me.

-Joan

Bill S. Mar 03, 2004 05:23 PM

QUOTE: "i have never used pro products heat panels. i have heard stories and seen pictures of pro-products heat panels short out."

I started using Pro Products radiant heat panels about 10 years ago, and currently have 9 of them running 24/7, ranging in size from 6x12" to 18x24". Never had a problem with any of them. A couple of those going right now are 10 years old, and have been in use continuously for that long. I will buy more PP heat panels in the future without blinking an eye.

Bill

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