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Question about Visions 6 foot cages??

susanpearl Mar 02, 2004 04:31 PM

Hi,

I'm thinking of purchasing a 6 foot vision cage. I've read a few times that these cages typically sag in the middle. I'm not sure if these responses were due to real life experiences with them, or just rumors that were passed on.

Basically, if you own a 6 vision cage (72x28x18 model), I've got a few quick questions....

Do these cages sag? If so, is it due to stacking? To what extent do they sag?

What are your general impressions with these cages?

How do you heat your 6 foot vision (e.g., heat panel, flexwatt, etc)?

If you prefer, feel free to email me directly...

Thanks,

Susan P.

Replies (4)

tomas Mar 02, 2004 07:50 PM

I had some of the first models of the 72" x 36" x 18" tall visions.

I had a bit of a sagging problem. A few months after I bought my cages, Vision started molding in a center strut in the front of the 6 foot cage. This solved the sagging issue. The guys at Vision replaced my early cages without the strut and gave me the updated cages with the strut. I haven't had any problems since.

My buddy has a 16 foot anaconda in a 6 footer that is opened on the side next to a 4 footer. The cageshad to be put on firm shelves because they couldn't support the weight of the anaconda when you stacked the cages on top of each other.

jfmoore Mar 03, 2004 05:31 AM

Hi Susan - Yes. They most definitely can sag, bend, bow, warp, whatever. Yes, stacking makes it more pronounced; the more weight from above, the worse the problem. Even those which are less than six feet wide, but the problem is most pronounced with the six footers. I guess it’s just the nature of the design and the materials. But considering that a prominent part of their advertising is that these are “Stackable - No racks or shelving required” would lead you to believe that they are, well, stackable and no supporting racks or shelves are required.

I was warned of this issue by a friend and Vision owner before I placed my order, so at least I wasn’t surprised. Of the two 72”W x 36”D x 18”H that I am using, one arrived so deformed in the middle already that I couldn’t insert the glass doors unless I tipped the cage on its back. Of course, now right side up, with python inserted, and with other cages on top of it, I will never be able to remove the doors until the day that I unstack the cages. When I need to clean the inside of the glass, some major gymnastics are required. Ever crawled inside a 18” high python cage? Creepy. Caution – it is best to remove python first. Curiously, however, those doors slide reasonably well. Unfortunately, the doors on the other six foot Vision placed atop this one are extremely hard to slide back and forth. We’re talking both hands and major effort required; they really are hard to budge. I snapped a couple of photos to try and illustrate what I’m talking about, but I didn’t have much room to maneuver or a really wide angle lens. Still, you should be able to see the sagging in the bottom cages, making the smaller upper ones tilt inwards.

I heat these cages with ProProducts overhead heat panels, one 75 watts, the other 100 watts, which are controlled by proportional thermostats. They are against an interior wall in a room that doesn’t go below 75 degrees, so that’s plenty of heater power. High humidity is hard to maintain with all the screening, so I spray frequently in the dry months or cover up some of the holes. They’re very easy to clean and maintain. The plastic absorbs odors much more readily than with a harder material like the ABS plastic used in Neodesha cages. Just consider it an added incentive to do timely cage cleaning.

These cages have served me well and, for the price, I do not regret the purchase. Any other questions? Feel free to ask.

-Joan

tomas Mar 03, 2004 05:28 PM

The reason the cages in the above pic are sagging in the middle is because the user stacked 3 foot and smaller cages on top of his 6 foot cages.

The 6 foot cages were meant to be stacked on top of each other.

The 3 foot cages were designed to be stacked on top of each other, but I don't think the cages were designed to be mixed when stacking them.

jfmoore Mar 04, 2004 03:59 AM

“The reason the cages in the above pic are sagging in the middle is because the user stacked 3 foot and smaller cages on top of his 6 foot cages.” - tomas

Point well taken, but I just wanted to note a couple of things since it’s not clear if you read the text that accompanied my photos.

First, the problems with these particular 6 foot Visions made themselves known before anything was stacked on top of either one of the cages. Undoubtedly, the three foot long cages on top exacerbate the problem. Anything placed on top of either of these two particular cages would exacerbate the problem. The required fix would be to construct a framework to support the different levels.

Second, I sign all my posts with “Joan,” indicating that these would be “her” cages, not “his” cages.

-Joan

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