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Jungle controversy below

mdc Mar 02, 2004 10:26 PM

This belongs with the jungle discussion below, but I didn't want it to get lost in the mess down there. I emailed this to Alex, who started the thread, and he asked me to post it here. So here it is:

Hey what's up Alex,

I saw your post about Jungles, and it is all very interesting. The one thing that noone talked too much about is genetic compatability. If you were to take that "jungle-ish" boa you bought from Mnr and breed it to a true jungle from the swedish bloodline, and super jungles were produced, the I believe you could call your aberrant boa a true jungle at that point even though it did not come from the swedish line. All it would mean is that both boas share the same genetic anomoly. The same thing happened with albino boas. When the first Sharp strain albino was imported, nobody knew that it was any different from the Kahl albinos. So, they bred it to a kahl albino, and only normals were produced. This proved that a different gene was causing the albinism. If albinos had been produced in this litter, nobody would have said that it is not an albino because it did not originate from the Kahl albinos.

So, what I'm getting at is that I don't believe their is any way to distinctly tell a jungle from a nicely colored aberrant boa. However, I do believe that the super jungles are very distinct and that is where the true money with this morph will end up - a boa that people can be sure of what they are buying. My concerns with purchasing one of these boas is that when I breed it, nobody will believe me since I am not a well recognized name.

I picked this girl up last year for almost nothing compared to the price of true jungles. She is not a jungle, but just a nice aberrant boa. However, you can see where the confusion starts with these boas.

Take it easy,
Matt Crabe

Replies (2)

lexxxx300 Mar 02, 2004 11:21 PM

Rainshadow, Celia, Dinopolis, Randy T and other who I know I forgot. I appreciate your input and help on this subject. It just goes to show we have a LONG way to go so that is EXCITING to say the least.

Here is what I got out of it from all the responses.

The Jungle line originated from the Sweden line.

I believe that other lines may be out there but must be proved.

A believed to be Jungle must be bred to the original Sweden Jungle and produce super Jungles if it is in fact a Jungle.

The offspring are Super Jungles and Jungles which are 100% het for Super Jungle (I think)

Matt made a really interesting point and that is Super Jungles have a very distinct characteristics that Jungles and abberants aren't showing. The money will eventually come from producing nice super jungles. You can't get super Jungles from 2 abberant Columbians. We all have seen Supers and I think we can agree there is nothing quite like these.

I now believe the Jungle is a gene and not an abberant pattern. I don't believe the Sweden line is the only gene on this planet but if others are to claim to have Jungles it must be tested against the original line of Jungles.

How else can you explain the look of the Super Jungle? I have never seen an animal like this before. If anyone has an animal that resembles a Super but is only an abberant I would love to explore that avenue as well.

The boa below is mine and it is a genetic abberant. I'm breeding another genetic abberant to it and if the offspring look anything like the Super and I'm confused all over again but I'm sure it won't because this bloodline has been proven.

There is little distinction between abberant animals and Jungles but no comparison with the abberant and the Supers.

Last but not least IMO for marketing purpose Vendors should refrain from calling animals Jungles or unproven Jungles because this is misleading. An animal isn't a Jungle until it is bred and proven so how can it be an unproven Jungle (did that make sense).

We should use words like Jungle-like pattern to represent animals if we want to entice the buyer but an unproven Jungle doesn't exist unless of course it proves to be a Jungle after you proved it but this of course you wouldn't know unless you proved it LOL. It late I'm tired. I'm not making sense.

I truly hope someone besides myself has been enlightened.

Thanks again all!

Take care all and thanks Matt

Randall_Turner Mar 02, 2004 11:56 PM

I just wanted to add THAT BOA IS AWESOME!

Later
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Randall L Turner Jr.

You never experience life until you have kids..then you realize what you should have done rather then what you did do

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