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need some advice

flavicross Mar 03, 2004 12:55 PM

Hey everyone I have a little dilemma with one of my crosses. A couple of months back I got her and she took a turn for the worst she stopped eating and I had to seperate her from the other I purchased with her. I got her back to weight and she has grown since, but she is addicted to waxworms so my question to you all is how do I get her to adjust to eating rodents. Waxworms are hard to find right now and as she grows she will need a whole bunch at once so any tips or ideas as to how I can have her have rodents be the main ingridient in the diet ?

thanks

Replies (17)

JPsShadow Mar 03, 2004 01:03 PM

Monitors are opertunists, they don't seek out one food item and hope it is around. So the only one giving trouble would have to be you. If the supply of food is there then she will eat it. Stop the supply, then she will soon eat the other available to her. I have never had any troubles with monitors, they eat whatever is around. Now snakes I have had get picky and stuck on something, but they are more specialized by nature as to what they feed on.

flavicross Mar 03, 2004 08:54 PM

Jody, everything you wrote I agree with, but this little buggers actions are showing the opposite. It seems like it is a spoiled little brat that only wants waxworms could it be that as I was helping her to recovery she gained an acquired taste for waxworms and if it knows I am still going to give it to it that itll be expecting it? Anyways I know monitors are opportunistic hunters and anything they can over power theyll eat but this dude is certainly turning some heads because its like a crack head cant get enough waxworms. But the purpose of this thread was to get some suggestions. So you think i should slowly erase waxworms as a part of the diet and have her keep trying with the rodents.

I offer rodents but she dont eat them ???????

JPsShadow Mar 03, 2004 09:49 PM

When I said "If the supply of food is there then she will eat it. Stop the supply, then she will soon eat the other available to her."

I meant just that she knows you'll feed her the other, letting her go without for a few days is nothing she will hold out that long and wait for the meal worms.

It's upto you to Stop with them, and only offer rodents, eventually she will eat it when she is hungry. If the temps are kept up it won't take to long and she will be itchen for any kind of food she can have.

flavicross Mar 03, 2004 10:03 PM

Thanks Jody ill try that as I already was Ill just give it some more time I just freaked out because its been 3 days and shes a real nice looker so I dont want something to happen to her. I just wanted some reinforcing as to if what I was doing is ok which is what you mentioned I should do so thanks again man.

By the way I am moving to FL from ca do I need to go to Fish and game to report my crew of reptiles to get the permits to keep them?

thanks alex

JPsShadow Mar 03, 2004 10:11 PM

3 days is nothing to a healthy monitor.

Here is the link to the website with the permits you'll need. Depends on what you have and what your plans are for them. If venomous then you need that license it is $100, if you're going to exhibit and sell class III,II, or I then you need a license as well. If your keeping them as pets then there is a free license that you need to get.

I just had to renew mine tonight.
FL. Permits

flavicross Mar 03, 2004 10:21 PM

Thanks man

FR Mar 04, 2004 10:23 AM

I agree with Jody, monitors are not picky. That is, inless they are reason to be.

I found this the same with snakes too. Their feeding responce is directly related to physical condition and mental condition. If they are stressed, they seem to become picky. One certain type of stress is the most common, its dehydration. If they are kept in too dry of conditions then becoming picky is common. Make sure the monitor has the ability to stay hydrated. Next would be social stresses. But without a doubt, the first effects the second.

AS some have said, their are many tricks to induce an individual to feeding on what you want it to eat. May I add another, try chopping up a fuzzie and mixing it with raw egg. As far as I can tell, monitors cannot stay away for raw egg. Also, try fish, I know, "FISH", for a xeric adapted species/s, yet my vet recomended that many years ago for ackies of all things and to my surprise, monitors somehow love fish.

A little story, A sign of a healthy happy monitor is attempting to eat anything, then asking questions later. Once I found a large dead rattlesnake in front of my house. I chopped it into big chunks and decided to not let it go to waste. I threw a large chunk to my largest adult male lacie, he took it down in midair(common for him) Then all of a sudden he gave me this weird look. I offered another chuck and he turned his head away and acted like that was the nastist thing he ever encountered. So I fed the rest to the albigs. Good Luck with the monitor and your move. FR

flavicross Mar 04, 2004 11:24 AM

Frank no worries dude I chopped the mouse up in half and that is all it took it went for it right away and I feel confident it will do it more often.

thanks alex

FR Mar 04, 2004 12:14 PM

There is/was a reason it was picky to start with. Hopefully it was only the stress of shipping. But always keep in mind, other stresses and that they result in poor food preference first. Good luck FR

flavicross Mar 04, 2004 01:27 PM

I truly think that it was my fault in that I only offered the waxworms as a means of food while the little guy was on it's road to recovery. I should of offered more variety in the diet so it would not have depended som much on the waxworms as a way to get back to strenght.

alex

JPsShadow Mar 04, 2004 04:25 PM

I just found out from someone I have no idea what I am talking about. I comment on everything as if I knew but I don't know so please do not read my advice ever again. hahahahhahaaha

I gotta go check on my chameleon egg's, maybe I will learn something new, like I do everyday.

flavicross Mar 04, 2004 04:34 PM

Ok Jody never again will i listen to you. Youre a nobody that knows nothing. The person that called you out is who ill got to for advice and Frank Retes like wisdom. But what if I need pics to see something I need help on? By then ill be too old to see and my monitors will be dead of old age. LOL

JPsShadow Mar 04, 2004 04:39 PM

atleast I am good for something around here. LOL

SamSweet Mar 03, 2004 09:44 PM

Have you tried cutting the mouse open? Pretty hard for any monitor to turn up its nose at that.

flavicross Mar 03, 2004 10:06 PM

Sam it never even crossed my mind and now that you posted this it opened some memory chamber in my head where I read an article in mampam about these guys eating road kill in certain areas of their territory. By the way Sam do you recommend any other site or a place to find written field studies on the gouldii complex besideds Daniel Bennett's?

thanks alex

SamSweet Mar 04, 2004 01:41 AM

I dunno what it is, but sometimes some herps just "don't get it" about particular types of foods. It's most common in snakes, of course, and there are all kinds of tricks that have been devised by clever (and desperate) keepers. Some snake species are ridiculously picky, and nothing but the right kind of centipede or blindsnake will do; others seem to transfer acceptance fairly easily once the association is made a time or two, and then there are things like cottonmouths, which will happily eat link sausages, or canned cat food from a bowl (kids, don't try this at home).

Monitors are pretty much on the cottonmouth side of the spectrum, but you'll find some quirks. My old female croc (WC) was terrified of any roadkilled snake I offered, wouldn't eat rats or squirrels until either she or I had removed the intestines, and liked birds best; she was always manageable at feeding time until one day I offered her a pigeon squab, and all hell broke loose. That one sure liked squabs.

Feeding preferences (or a willingness to try almost anything) are probably pretty well set by the time you start caring for a WC monitor, but with CB animals their exposure to various prey types has been really limited, and you may need to show them a time or two. My current (CB) crocs had no idea what pinkies were -- they walked over them, and simply pushed dead whole mice around, even though I'd been feeding cut-up mice. I just skinned the whole mice a couple of times, and that was all it took. With your reluctant animal, try smearing some waxworm goop on the mouse, or mix some waxworms on a plate with a cut-up mouse, and I bet you'll soon be past that hurdle.

Hard to believe, but you can count up the scientific papers on the natural history of V. gouldii without taking off your shoes, and Daniel's book lists them all (under V. flavirufus). Graham Thompson's papers have the most detailed information.

flavicross Mar 04, 2004 11:21 AM

Sam your idea about cutting the mouse worked like a charm as soon as I cut it open and put it in there she ate 30 seconds later.

thanks

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