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Best Pet Venomous Snakes

Reticulatus Mar 07, 2004 05:13 PM

Hey,
I wanna know everyones opinion on the best venomous snakes as pets and why. Personally I like gabons and rhinos because they are big, beautiful, impressive and also hardy, often available captive bred. Also they arent very agressive....I find they always warn before they striek and once they become comfortable with you they are very easy to manage........Like to get bit by one you've had sinc a young or at least has been in captivity for awhile you are asking for it. I am also very partial to and arboreal viper, Forest and king cobras, canebreak and rock rattle snakes.

What do you think?

Justin Morash

Replies (12)

Larry D. Fishel Mar 07, 2004 05:58 PM

>>What do you think?

Mainly I think you better not go on thinking they will always warn before striking... If one mistakes your hand for food, you won't know he's alive a nanosecond before he nails you.
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Larry D. Fishel
Side effects may include paralysis
and death but are generally mild.

Chance Mar 07, 2004 06:11 PM

There is just something about pet and venomous snake being in the same sentence that makes me sort of weary, lol. Maybe a better way to word it would be "What venomous snake tends to make the best captive?" That's how I would have put it, but of course it's up to you. Anyway, to actually answer your question, my opinion would have to be boomslangs, Dispholidus typus. Booms have to be one of the most fascinating snakes on the planet. They are perfect display animals, as they are diurnal and more often than not can be seen cruising the branches of their cage. If I or anyone else ever walk into my snake room and my male boom is out and about, he will usually stop what he's doing and stare intently at me/us. There is a definite perceptible intelligence in this species. Also, unlike many other venomous snakes, booms tend to become quite "tame" in captivity (again, tame and venomous snakes are usually words I try to avoid using in the same sentence). I have never handled a boom that was out to tag me. In fact, even the very flighty female I acquired with my original 1.2 adults would only try to run, never becoming defensive. I'm sure their inflating display is very impressive, but I've seen it so few times and it's been so long I wouldn't know. In my personal opinion, the only dangerous time to be working with them is during feeding, in which case anything that moves is fair game and you must stay out of the way. Let's see...what else? Well of course there's their dentition. Boomslangs have probably the most mobile, advanced fangs of any opistoglyph (rear-fang). They typically have at least 2, sometimes 3 gigantic fangs on each side of the mouth. The fangs in an adult can easily measure 1.5 to 2 cm in length, which is enormous for a rear-fang. These fangs are very viperid-like, and can be swung out when in use, or folded back when not. They can also rotate a bit from side to side, which is why you have to be very careful when restraining one by the head. The fangs are the most forward placed than in any other rear-fang, basically right under the very large eye. The venom is insanely toxic with a very strange "Ebola-like" effect on its victims, melting from the inside outward within 24 to 48 hours. The problem is that no symptoms appear in the meantime, you just suddenly crash and die.

Now after all that you may be asking why on earth I say they are the best venomous snake to keep in captivity...well, they are just very neat to have and observe. Like I already said, they are usually out all day. During the breeding season, males will court females, using a very interesting and impressive bit of muscular control, holding the head perfectly in one position while "snaking" the neck. Females will respond to this either by doing the same thing back to him or by jerking in typical snake courting fashion. This muscular control will often be used while being handled; as in the snake will hold its head still while the body may be moving all over the place. I won't even get into the very strange aspects of their actual reproduction here.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but this the basic gist of why I considering booms to be great captive venomous. Though a bite from one could easily be fatal, they are incredibly reluctant to do so, probably a lot less than many of rear-fangs.
-Chance
River Valley Snakes

lanceheads Mar 07, 2004 06:15 PM

PET VENOMOUS SNAKE=OXYMORON

Reticulatus Mar 07, 2004 06:31 PM

I've accually never worked with booms .........I've always wanted to bcause they look alot like mambas and I love mambas but dont fell safe enough with them. And yes thats whgat I meant by pet....I explained my reason for saying pet in another post above..thank you very much for you post it is greatly appreciated.

Justin Morash

Reticulatus Mar 07, 2004 06:28 PM

OK the whole part about being the gaboons warning before strking is just of what I've observed from my own expiernce with them. I've never been biting by a venomous snake and Ive only been biting a few times by other reptiles. I treat all my animals with respect. The reason why I dont like posting on these forums is becuase peopels try to sturr things up. And the only timees that I've observed strinking is while I've workign In the snake room and while I would walk by the cage of one of the large gaboons they'd start to hiss loudly and then if I walked by a few more times they would strike at the glass. Dont get me worng here .....I'm very expierience with potentially dangerous animals. Also the I say "pets" becuase any animal I have is my pet....I love them all they are totally part of the family. FRom alil death stalker scorpions who never come out form under there rocks all that may to my pet savanna monitor that I take form walks liek a dog. So when you read these things take them In the ebst way. Relise that anyone hwo has dealt with venomous snakes and is still alive knows what they are doing.
But anyways thats all I'm goin to say.

Thank You for your post
Justin Morash

( p.s ......I dont know if I'll be back so you mgiht be able to get in touch with me over the monitor or python forums)

psilocybe Mar 07, 2004 06:53 PM

>>>>>Relise that anyone hwo has dealt with venomous snakes and is still alive knows what they are doing.
But anyways thats all I'm goin to say.>>>>>

Um, not passing judgement on you, but this isn't correct...there are plenty of people with "experience"near death encounters) with hots who are still alive...but that doesn't mean they know what they are doing...

AP

Larry D. Fishel Mar 09, 2004 12:44 PM

>>OK the whole part about being the gaboons warning before strking is just of what I've observed from my own expiernce with them.

That's the problem... I didn't mean to imply that you don't know what you're doing or that I don't have plenty left to learn myself, but assuming that a snake won't so something because YOU haven't seen it YET will eventually get you killed. Lots of people have far more experience with gaboons than I have, but I've seen one strike around in almost a complete circle to bite a mouse that was behind its head (neck in a circle and head facing forward again) and I've seen one strike backwards over the back of it's neck with it's head upside down...no warning whatsoever.

>> ....I find they always warn before they strike...

If this matters to you, then you are thinking about safety the wrong way!!! This doen't matter unless you are getting in range, and this is really the wrong snake to get in range of.

Again, I'm not attacking you, just giving a little constructive criticism. Someone doesn't have to know more than you to know SOMETHING you don't, and I'm sure everyone here knows something I don't know.
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Larry D. Fishel
Side effects may include paralysis
and death but are generally mild.

Carmichael Mar 07, 2004 07:53 PM

Chance said it pretty well in that venomous snakes and the word "pet" shouldn't be used in the same sentence (but I think I understand what you really meant in your question). If you think that gaboons and rhinos are tame and are somewhat trustworthy and always warn prior to a strike....think again! That opinion could (will) end up costing your life. I have several and even though they are fairly easy to work with, they have caught me by surprise by their amazingly quick and sudden strikes (most of the time, they are hunger strikes but those can come at any time). You didn't mention your age so I will NOT recommend a good, hardy venomous snake to keep as a pet. But, if you are NOT a minor, I would recommend a few hardy animals to get some experience with:
1) southern copperhead (other subspecies are good too) 2) pygmy rattlesnake 3) banded rock rattlesnake These are all easy to obtain, make hardy captives, and are not prone to inflicting a deadly bite (BUT CAN..so don't think that these are corn snakes you are dealing with...a bite from any of the above can result in loss of digits or worse). When I started keeping venomous herps a long time ago, I had a mentor who showed me the ropes and I would highly recommend that you do the same. Also, even though I provided a few examples of hardy captives, you obviously should keep something you are interested in. A bite from a gaboon or rhino is a life threatening situation. Ask this question "Am I willing to die just to keep a venomous snake?"...a bit of a sobering question but one that every hot herp keeper needs to deal with. Good luck.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
City of Lake Forest Parks & Recreation (IL)

newworldserpent Mar 07, 2004 10:24 PM

when someone tell you, "be careful" or "think about the consequence of a bite" i'm sure that may aggravate you a bit. like any of use know if you know what your doing or not. your posts make you sound young and that could make people nervous. constructive criticism is not alway bad(the hole "pet" thing). i personaly have been dealing with hots for many years. i have a mentor that i still contact and work with from time to time. he has been doing hots for over 30 years. he is highly respected in the venomous industry. he seems to be the most cautious person around hots. but, he as been hit three times. most recently about a year ago by a cobra when putting the top on the container. just knicked him on the finger. that little scratch caused some perment damage. a hot snake is a load gun and you don't get to control the trigger or know when it could go off. i would say be cautious, but i think that should be a given. know you skill level before you start handling a snake with 2 inch fangs that can strike it entire body length and has been known to leap off the ground. PLEASE, don't be stupid!! if you have any questions about aborials i breed asian pit vipers. contact me at: newworldserpent@hotmail.com
thank you and good luck, Mark

luvthemherps Mar 07, 2004 11:53 PM

sorry for getting involved ,Im one of those unloveds over here,but mentioning venomous pets set my teeth on edge as well.
I have about 45 "hots in my collection and am also a venomous dealer.
I have a sugestion,NO KING COBRA,I nmaintain 3 of these beautiful creatures,they are not for beginners !
try somthing like was sugested above or mabey a copperhead?Better yet please find someone local or even a day away,to help you with your choice,even show you a few things,please?all of us tend to overestimate our ability at one time or another,this cannot be one of those times.I love and care about this hobby,but every bite of a captive hot handler or keeper,makes the news.We dont need bad publicity,we all like our hobby and want to preserve it,bad pr hurts all of us in this time of wanting to outlaw everything,I for one have fought hard,others out there will attest they have too.
welcome to the hobby,but be sure your ready,gain every experence you can ,be careful,and dont rush in
now Im done preaching...Ill go hide again in my cave.

GreggMM Mar 08, 2004 10:12 AM

Hmmmmmmm, Where should I start..... Ok for one, gaboons and rhinos are not all that easy to maintain.......
Hydration can be a big problem if you do not know the tricks....... A gaboon or a rhino can die of dehydration with a water basin sitting 2 inches from its nose........ They need lots of "attention" when being kept in captivity...... Weekly soaks, misting the enclosier, and injecting prey items with water or eletrolites is what you need to do to keep them properly hydrated.........
They are quite easy to manage when they are small but a 5 foot adult can easily over power you and your hook if you do not know what you are doing...... They are very strong......
Also, gaboons, for the most part, will not show any signs of aggression before a strike..... Maybe a little eye quiver...... And they can hit you from any possition they are in.......
You do not have fast enough reflexes to avoid being tagged once you put yourself within its strike range....... I have never in all my years of keeping them,seen them miss an intended target......
They are pretty much on target 100% of the time...... They are very placid until something stimulates them...... Also rhinos are not all that "hardy"...... If the proper temps and humidity levels are not maintained they can be prone to URI...... And they are also more inclined to bite......
Do not mistake placidness for tameness...... They do not make good beginner hots and should be left to the more experianced keepers....... I guess that show how much you know about gaboons and rhinos.......

rayhoser Mar 13, 2004 05:59 PM

Why?
They look magnificent, are generally pleasant (don't bite), dead easy to keep and breed, etc.
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