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lets take the pil cage.

i show you a corner of it and it is bad....

hmmmm.... why is that?

so we all can learn, those that posted about the pil cage being bad go ahead and say why. not flavicross though please because all though i might speak above my experience sometimes he just speaks out of his butt.

lets talk about what is in the pil cage since the stitch didn't come out well.

left side: two stacks side by side (the first pil pics were you guys looking down under where a stack was). there is a hollow rock the female likes to go under on that side as well. above the left stack is a basking light. the temps get up to 130, they rarely use it but prefer the right stack closer to the cool end that is at about 110 on top.

middle: a stick that hangs up at about 45 degrees, a water bowl.
its about 85 here.

right side: a sunken hide, a roof tile.
coolest spot under the sunken hide is about 78.

substrate: sand and sandy loam.

now to all the people that want to complain, go ahead and do so, but back it up by showing something better.

frank, i am sure you do have something better. but just don't do the bs thing that you like to do. like when we got in an argument about troughs and said "how about these troughs andrew" and you didn't show troughs at all because you were skating. you know, so show a pil cage and not your 45 foot lacie cage is what i am getting at.

thanks for getting involved.

andrew

There ya go though

thanks

this is the left side in case my explanations of what was there are inaccurate.

andrew

I don't even keep my water monitors, dumerils, or any other humid loving reptiles that wet. Did you just mist the cage??? Or is it that wet all the time?

Also how big is the cage it doesn't appear to large maybe a 40 gallon breeder critter cage? Which would put it at 36x18x16??

I am just going by whats in the pic for size refrence. Mostly the spray bottle on the floor right next to the cage. Which is a standard size spray bottle measuring at 12" tall and 3" wide.

Andrew was saying that it was misting day while I was there. He had just added a bunch of crickets too. I'm assuming the crickets like the water a little bit too.

where did you find a 4x2x2 fish tank? Just curious as that is a very odd size for them to make a tank. Most of them are not perfect in width and hieght they differ.

Thanks for answering why the cage is so wet.

Oh and again i dont mind then being wet if you let me know why, and that they are not always that way. I also dont mind what they are in just mind being lied to about size.

I see a wall outlet, spray bottle, and running board along the wall in the pics. Oh yeah and also the water idsh in the cage is a container for deli sandwiches. I also use them so I know there dimensions as well.

Well its twice as big as my 55, and my 55 is 4x12x18. So when it looks twice as wide, I figured it was about a 4x2x2. Its huge, it really is, maybe I should get a shot of the whole thing in his room sometime, but its a 150 mile trip and gas ain't free. If you wanna give me gas money I'll gladly go up again and take more pix.

Oscar

Haha nah man, thats not my point.

I was just seeing what I saw by what I have in the pic to compare it too.

If it is bigger then your 55 then it is probly a breeder tank. With that said all they do is make it wider not add to the hieght as well.

breeder tanks are the way to go if you wish to use a tank for your reptiles. Otherwise you just dont get floor space.

Well its really long, I think its a 110g or something.

Actually at that size it would have to be a 120 gallon breeder tank. But I was thinking they are longer my 120 gallon tank is 6 foot. But it is not a breeder tank so maybe they take away the length and add it to the width.

haha anyways now I am getting off track and starting to talk fish tanks LOL

Well you'd be talking above me, I know what a betta bowl, a fishbowl, a 10, 20 long, 20, 40 breeder, and a 55 look like. Thats it HAHA, Now for boxes I've built .. I know what those look like because they're in the living room haha.

it is a custom made aquarium. not for me, i bought it from a friend who was keeping an albino burmse in it.

it is indeed 4x2x2.

actually, i just got up and since you said the spray bottle was 12 inches in height. it is two and a half spray bottles high, 5 spray bottles wide and 2 and a half deep. so maybe i did lie, maybe it is 5x2.5x2.5 if you are correct on the spray bottle.

andrew

haha why measure with a spray bottle?
I only said that cause it is in the picture next to it. Most spray bottles are 12" bt there are small ones and bigger ones. Thats why I asked what size it was and by the picture it doesn't look that big.

But like I said your there not me. So you would know. All i can do is go by the picture, like if you wouldnt of said you misted it I would of thought all the time you kept it so wet. Which I am sure you yourself would attest to that would not be a good thing.

Again on the tank I am only going back on my experience with breeding fish. I realized right away it was abreeder tank or it would be real skiny and not wide at all. I just wasnt aware of them at that size is all. But a 75 gallon breeder is close.

exactly jody, i just misted it.

i do so every 3 days or so. it is amazing how much of it escapes. it is probably something wrong that i am doing. looking into the cage now it is pretty dry.

but i mist the sides of the cage and the top of the substrate for a couple minutes every 3 days or so.

size: it is 4x2x2. yes, its a standard spray bottle.

thanks jody,

andrew

If it is losing humidity that fast, then you may have to much ventalation. It is probly harder where you are at then me. It is so darn humid here I have to have it well vented.

I still question the size but hey your there looking at it not me, so I will have to take your word on it.

The soil is too shallow.
The soil is too wet.
Pils like to wedge themselves into tight places, the gaps between the wood are too big.
Neat stacks are a waste, they should be spread around the enclosure.
Heat source is too far away (judging from the height of the stack).
All this is based on the first picture.

Yes, I have pils of my own.

You should know that I was on a reptile chat a month or so ago and your buddy Oscar came in. He asked some questions about monitors and I told him to ask you (I learned a long time ago trying to help him is a waste of time).
He told me he wouldn't because you were "unreliable" and " made stuff up". He then went on to tell me that you owed he and a few other people money and he wasn't going to work on your site anymore until he was paid.
You see Andrew, your reputation isn't really that great even with your friends.
Funny eh?

I don't work for free. Andrew's computer was shot at the time, and I was broke. I didn't know his computer was shot, because he couldn't tell me, so when his bill came due, there was no way for him to know. I never called, so I don't think its his fault that he didn't pay me on time.

If you'd really like to know Andrew's account is current and he has actually paid in advance. As for him making stuff up, I don't recall saying that. At the time he was unreliable because I couldn't find him!! Hahaha, shortly there after Andrew was also robbed.

I'm telling you personal stuff, I guess that needs to get out on a public forum eh?

BTW I thank you for participating in his post and actually giving some observations thanks RSG!!

Oscar

I agree 100% that you should get paid to do his webpage. Just trying to point out to Andrew why some people may have a bad impression of him.

thanks rsg.

but seriously, there was another part to that, posting something better.

the basking light is 6 inches from the stack. the stack is 130, the other stack is 110, what should i improve here.

the substrate is 8 inches at its height and 6 at its lowest. what would you suggest?

seriously listening as long as you are seriously contributing.

andrew

Lower the stacks and the light. Bring light closer to stack and use a lower wattage bulb.
Try about 1.5 feet of substrate.
You may find that you won't have to spray the cage as often.

btw: i watched wyatt earp the other day as a matter of fact, i love that line.

i am putting time into my schedule and a friends pickup to go out to central oregon and get some sand. you guys are right, the sand available to buy is all one size grain.

thanks for the input, i will give it a go.

andrew

Oh RSG please tell your quoting one of the greatest movies of all time. Tombstone!!!!!!
Great pic! I need to post pics of my kids.
Thanks
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Christine :>~
A good friend will come bail you out fo jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "Damn that was fun!!".

n/p

i was thinking the one with kevin costner.

the one i watched the other day with val kilmer as doc is a lot better than wyatt earp.

lol, hello christine btw

andrew

so we all can learn, those that posted about the pil cage being bad go ahead and say why. not flavicross though please because all though i might speak above my experience sometimes he just speaks out of his butt.

ok lets have some real conversation i copied and pasted this for one purpose and that is becasue you are right andrew i speak out of my butt. Yet RSG and Frank are agreeing with me that the enclosure is not adequate. So they must be talking out of their butts too since they agree with the statement i did directly or indirectly they did agree with that you were missing stuff. I made the same mistakes with my flavi argus crosses I had them in an aquarium and they did well for a while but then one made a turn for the worst. Now I have a nice custom made (by me) enclsoure that i kind of replicated from this fellow and now theyre doing great. So this is why I tell you it looks inadequate im not saying they wont thrive in a glass enclosure Im saying youre missing stuff. OTher people with experience pointed out what youre missing. Im not a pil owner, but I could tell something was not right and others with much more experience with these gems mentioned the faults. So i talk out of my butt hu ................ ha ha ha ha ha right .......