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Hi all,

I've posted a few new pics of some panthers and parsons along with some info. If your interested, you can check it out by following the links. Thanks.

Pinks:

http://www.screameleons.com/portal/alias__Screameleons/lang__en-US/tabID__3411/DesktopDefault.aspx

Parsons:

http://www.screameleons.com/portal/alias__Screameleons/lang__en-US/tabID__3417/DesktopDefault.aspx

Vince.

Great photos. Those are very pretty.

Question-
This may be an old topic, but have you had any problems due to inbreeding?
Do you foresee this causing problems with the morphs in the future? I was reading that someone was trying to get a national Panther "sire registry" or something started to avoid inbreeding problems.

Also, what kind of netting is that you use on the inner side of your
screen? Is it rubber?

Hi,

Not sure how my thread got mixed up with imbreeding, but here is the registry you are talking about.

http://www.chameleondatabase.com

I've never practiced imbreeding, and I do not have any plans to do so. But here is what I do know. The reason why you want to avoid imbreeding is because of the possibility of breeding bad genetics back into the pool. But if thats the case, isn't this possible regardless of whether or not imbreeding occurs if bad genetics are involved? My whole view of imbreeding is that its gross. The thought of brothers and sisters breeding with each other gives me the chills.

In any event, I don't see it as neccessary to imbreed panthers. There seems to be a good supply of new blood, and I'm sure it can be avoided completely.

Feel free to correct me if im wrong.

Vince

Screameleons wrote
"The reason why you want to avoid imbreeding is because of the possibility of breeding bad genetics back into the pool. But if thats the case, isn't this possible regardless of whether or not imbreeding occurs if bad genetics are involved?"

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. The whole point of inbreeding is that a deleterious, recessive allele likely occurs at a very low frequency in the general populations. Let's say tht it occurs in only 1/100 animals. The chances of two animals with the allele mating would be 1 in 10,000. But the full sibling of an animal with the deleterious recessive allele has a 50-50 chance of also carrying that allele. So any offspring of the inbred pair would have a 25% risk of getting two copies of the allele (i.e., a double recessive) and, therefore, exhibit a harmful trait.

Your kindly old professor

Wait, I'm very confused...

Correct me if I'm misreading this, but the link you posted goes to a site
with these words on it under the last photo:

"Both of Ken's sisters will be bred to him.  "

Doesn't this mean his sisters will breed with him? Am I missing something?

just curious!

thanks

Hi,

The two males on that page are totally unrelated and are separate animals. The sisters of one male will be bred to the other totally unrelated male. So the offspring should be a combo of the two males.

I'll have to re-phrase my words. Sorry about that. I do see where my wording can get confusing.

Vince.

Screameleons.com

Ahhh... I see now.

Thanks for the clarification!

that chameleon "diablo" is absolutely the sickest thing i've ever seen. My jackson is nothing compared to that. How much are u selling the offspring???

I purchased the plastic green mesh from Home Depot. Look for it in the gardening section. Not sure, but I think its originally used to keep rodents out. I wire a piece to each side of the cage so the chams have something better to grab onto.

That's a good idea. I had a Jackson's lose five toenails on the screen. And as you know, they don't grow back.

I switched to a coated wire cage with 1/2" spacing, but if I ever try screen again, I'll try your method.

On Screameleons' website he wrote that one male will breed with another male's sister, not that he imbreeds! By the way, in panthers, it is not until the 6th generation that there are signs of genetic defects. This is what I heard in a previous discussion many months ago.

Ohh, Diablo is absolutely beautiful! Good luck with him!