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Copulation of male Orange and female Korean.

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Ivan Arinin
ICQ 151665951
E.g. guttata Normal 2.3
E.g. guttata Albino 2.4
E.g. guttata Oketee 2.0
E.g. guttata Hypo Oketee 1.1
E.g. guttata Albino Okeetee 2.2
E.g. guttata Ghost 2.3
E.g. guttata Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Albino Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Anerythristic 2.2
E.g. guttata Snow 2.4
E.g. guttata Creamsicle 2.1
E.g. rosacea 2.2
E.g. emoryi 2.2

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54
E. bimaculata 4.3
E. quatourlineata 10.15

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheomeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata 1.3
E. o. quatourlineata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 2.1.12
Cylindrophis ruffus 0.1
Enhydris plumbea 1.0

Really nice diones Ivan. I haven't seen so many colors and pattern variations. I have 2 pairs of S. Korean diones that were produced by Terry Cox.

Terry Parks

Ivan, that's a very interesting orange dione. It doesn't look to be an albino, so I wonder what it is? Does that snake come from Russia? What part of Russia are you from, eastern or western? Thanks...Terry.

Terry,

it is not amel, i think this snake is xanthic. This is captive breed specimen by S. Ryabov. This happen several years ago and i dont know exactly about it parents specimen. I will ask S. Ryabov about its history.

I know that red or cherry-coloured specimen is rare, but one of its i see in Ust-Kamenogorsk city in E. Kazakhstan in 1989. It was patternles tenebrosa and it was send to Tula Exotarium. Now i can only suppose that specimen on my foto is offspring of this tenebrosa.
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Ivan Arinin
ICQ 151665951
E.g. guttata Normal 2.3
E.g. guttata Albino 2.4
E.g. guttata Oketee 2.0
E.g. guttata Hypo Oketee 1.1
E.g. guttata Albino Okeetee 2.2
E.g. guttata Ghost 2.3
E.g. guttata Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Albino Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Anerythristic 2.2
E.g. guttata Snow 2.4
E.g. guttata Creamsicle 2.1
E.g. rosacea 2.2
E.g. emoryi 2.2

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54
E. bimaculata 4.3
E. quatourlineata 10.15

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheomeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata 1.3
E. o. quatourlineata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 2.1.12
Cylindrophis ruffus 0.1
Enhydris plumbea 1.0

Ivan,

Thank you for all the information about the orange and tenebrosa specimens. Do you know much about the east Siberian dione? I'm interested in the ecology and taxonomy. Does Mr. Ryabov work on the taxonomy, or even the genetics, at all? This species should be reviewed and some distinct populations given subspecies or even species designation, in my opinion.

Cheers.....TC/Ratsnake Haven

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Ratsnake Haven: Elaphe dione, bimaculata, mandarina, conspicillata, porphyracea coxi, t. taeniura, situla, emoryi; Lampropeltis zonata, and mexicana.

Terry,

I cant identify myself as big specialists in dione, but i know about this species and will continue my work. At present moment i learn about its localities and if you have interest in ecology i can help you.

I dont know exactly about study of genetics or taxonomy, but every year specialists from St. Petersburg visit us and take some blood test for molecular analys. This work is in development yet and i dont know it results.

I think you right about subspecies status of some geographical population.
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Ivan Arinin
ICQ 151665951
E.g. guttata Normal 2.3
E.g. guttata Albino 2.4
E.g. guttata Oketee 2.0
E.g. guttata Hypo Oketee 1.1
E.g. guttata Albino Okeetee 2.2
E.g. guttata Ghost 2.3
E.g. guttata Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Albino Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Anerythristic 2.2
E.g. guttata Snow 2.4
E.g. guttata Creamsicle 2.1
E.g. rosacea 2.2
E.g. emoryi 2.2

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54
E. bimaculata 4.3
E. quatourlineata 10.15

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheomeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata 1.3
E. o. quatourlineata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 2.1.12
Cylindrophis ruffus 0.1
Enhydris plumbea 1.0

>>Terry,
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>>I cant identify myself as big specialists in dione, but i know about this species and will continue my work. At present moment i learn about its localities and if you have interest in ecology i can help you.
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Thanks, Ivan. I expect you live in western Russia, maybe near Moscow?? It would be great if you could actually make a trip into territory of the dione and report on how it lives, etc. Do you see many wild caught specimens?

>>I dont know exactly about study of genetics or taxonomy, but every year specialists from St. Petersburg visit us and take some blood test for molecular analys. This work is in development yet and i dont know it results.
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That is very interesting. I can't wait to hear more about the chemical testing. It should shed some light on this extremely variable species.

>>I think you right about subspecies status of some geographical population.
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Thank you. I appreciate your comments. I wish I could do some collecting in the different locations and habitats. I think we might find some really nice snakes.

Take care....Terry

>Thanks, Ivan. I expect you live in western Russia, maybe near >Moscow?? It would be great if you could actually make a trip >into territory of the dione and report on how it lives, etc. Do >you see many wild caught specimens?

I live in Tula and work in Tula Zooexotarium. This is near Moscow. I see many specimens from Far East and we have many wc specimen from different localities. I dont think that i can make a trip in nearest future because i in deadline with my groups. Now is breeding season which will end only in end of July. You must say me exactly, what question you interested.

>That is very interesting. I can't wait to hear more about the >chemical testing. It should shed some light on this extremely >variable species.
I will be ask about previously results of this work.

>Thank you. I appreciate your comments. I wish I could do some >collecting in the different locations and habitats. I think we >might find some really nice snakes.
I think too

Best regards,
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Ivan Arinin
ICQ 151665951
E.g. guttata Normal 2.3
E.g. guttata Albino 2.4
E.g. guttata Oketee 2.0
E.g. guttata Hypo Oketee 1.1
E.g. guttata Albino Okeetee 2.2
E.g. guttata Ghost 2.3
E.g. guttata Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Albino Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Anerythristic 2.2
E.g. guttata Snow 2.4
E.g. guttata Creamsicle 2.1
E.g. rosacea 2.2
E.g. emoryi 2.2

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54
E. bimaculata 4.3
E. quatourlineata 10.15

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheomeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata 1.3
E. o. quatourlineata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 2.1.12
Cylindrophis ruffus 0.1
Enhydris plumbea 1.0

>>I live in Tula and work in Tula Zooexotarium. This is near Moscow. I see many specimens from Far East and we have many wc specimen from different localities. I dont think that i can make a trip in nearest future because i in deadline with my groups. Now is breeding season which will end only in end of July. You must say me exactly, what question you interested.
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Ivan, thank you for the info.

TC