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Here is one of my Creamsicle Striped Corns.

Hope you enjoy

Walter

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Definately on my must have list - gorgeous snake, congrats on this one. I would buy striped creamsicles if I could find any, but they are few and far between so I am considering developing my own, but this raises a dilema, so I wonder if you would offer an opinion.
If I plan to introduce the striped genetics into my creamsicles, I will be producing a lot of offspring that look like normal or amel corns in order to get the hets I need to be able to breed striped creamsicles and then to get the nice orange colors back. While I may identify the surplus babies as having creamsicle bloodlines when I sell them, I realize that as they mature, that information may be lost and they may be sold and mis-represented. How responsible do you feel, as a breeder of intergrades, to prevent this from happening? I am struggling with how far my responsibility to the hobby will go - to the first owner or beyond. If it extends beyond one owner, the alternatives are difficult to deal with - either keeping all progeny or culling those that don't fit a breeding program. I don't expect anyone else to tell me what to do - just would be interested in other peoples opinions.

thanks very much, and I sure wish it was possible to get creamsicles like that one here in Canada. Don't suppose you do international shipping!? I know - it's not for sale!

mary v.

Sorry, I'm not quite clear on what you are asking here.
More spacific???

Walter

I will try and clarify - I breed a creamsicle to my striped normal corn and produce hets for stripe and creamsicle (amel) that will look like normal corns. The F2 generation will be normals, amels (and with luck some normal stripe and amel stripe). The photos I have seen of amel offspring from creamsicles with amel or normal corns are much redder than creamsicles and look like amel corns, so both the amels and the normals in these would look pretty much like corns. I would sell these as creamsicle crosses, but they are not distingishable based on what they look like.

When I have mentioned these plans to people, the caution is that if is fine if I breed creamsicles as long as I represent them honestly which is easy when they look like creamsicles - I know they won't be mislabelled even after I sell them. It is more of a problem when they look just like a cornsnake and anyone who buys one from me could sell it later as a corn.

I guess it is sort of a question of whether I have to feel responsible for the potential misrepresentation of intergrades that I produce after they are out of my control (because I chose to produce quite a few snakes that are intergrades but look like corns to achieve my own goal). Does that make any more sense?

Maybe the questions are: can the crosses between corns and creamsicles involved in developing striped creamsicles be distinguished from pure corns based on color (are they yellower)? and, in your opinion, does a breeder's responsibility for identifying an intergrade end with the person that they sell it too?

thanks for any input - I know it is likely something everyone has to decide for themselves, but I appreciate knowing what those who are breeding these snakes think,

mary v.

I would say that as long as you represent what you are selling honestly and the buyer agrees to make a purchase knowing the genetics of what they are buying, no problem.

There are people who misrepresent thier animals and it's up to the consumer to do their homework and buy from reputible breeders.

As far as a person making this purchase with the knowledge of the genetics, then in return re-sells it under misrepresentation, they would have to deal with their own
dis-honest action. That's my opinion of it.

You know how opinions are though, they are like eyes. Most everyone has at least one.

I hope this helped,
Walter

Thanks so much - I appreciate your thoughts on this.

mary v.

Absolutely beautiful Sir!! Availabilty?!? Please let me know!

Keep it up man... awesome stuff!

Thanks
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