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hey there,

I have thought about when you asked whether I thought that Joe's motive was to get eggs.

I am still not sure what Joe's motives are. I have not directly asked him. I know he has liked reptiles since he was a kid though, he told me that, so that might say something.

Only thing I know of Joe is that his animals are gorgeous, he is rich and seems like a really nice guy.

But I thought about if his motive had been about egg production. Like a hatchery or something to that effect.

First of all (don't screw with me Frank, I know you are not going to say some jackass has done it, lol) we know that a hatchery (like a chicken one) cannot be done, monitors are too darn smart and won't withstand that much torture.
Joe's ability to get eggs must be through proper husbandry, or husbandry that sustains solid egg production and some longetivity in his animals.

Here's the deal. There are people who have very nice animals that seem to work very hard on them to get them to breed and they never lay an egg. Nice setups (probably not glass ones like mine, lol). Good food, Good nesting, you name it, they got it.

But then we all know how Joe keeps his (Frank, you told me on the phone, I confirmed it with Joe), although you said they were boxes, they are 6x3's, thats a pretty big box for a dwarf monitor. So, even if it is an egg producing facility, the guys got it dialed in and has some of the best looking, healthiest monitors available. Isn't that what we are after with our captives, healthy animals that do what wild ones do? eat, crap, breed, nest, lay, live a long time having a pretty constant sex life, start the life cycle over again? (for dragoon, being loved by someone, ) It isn't all about reproduction. But unhealthy monitors don't reproduce. Its us humans who do that.

I think I will change to gravel and bed-a-beast lay boxes.

(last part was a joke)

andrew

sorry, not about monitors. you seen those "painted kings" yet? anybody know what they are? gotta get some, gotta get some, drooling hard.

andrew

they are absolutely gorgeous. I've heard people talking that they are some kind of king x striped sinaloan milk... I'm not an endorser of hybrids, but that is one gorgeous snake. Did you also see their "carpet king", the one that looks like one of those hypo jaguar carpets? Cool stuff

bob

The Odatriad

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yes they are, again, i have to get some.

andrew

Let's take Joes name out of this, I have bought very nice animals from him and would do so again.
My post was in response to you. I asked if your only motivation was egg production.

I think it can be a numbers game. You could run a female out in 2 years with poor husbandry or you could run a female out in 10+ years with good husbandry.
In two years odatria can produce a lot of offspring. You could sell 2/3 of the offspring and keep 1/3 to raise as breeders. You could raise them to be reproductive within a year very easily. Even if you lost all of your adult females within a 2 year period, you could easily have enough offspring to make up for it. Then you just need to keep repeating the process over and over, holding back hatchlings each year.

I have raised hatchling ackies to reproductive in a year only feeding twice a week.

I have had a dumeril's lay a clutch of eggs on a sheet of plywood. Most of those eggs hatched.

My point? Getting good eggs isn't difficult, hatching eggs is. Why do you think some people get so frustrated when monitors are keep in conditions so poor they can't even produce eggs?

i thought you were saying something else.

to answer your question, no, eggs is not my primary reason for keeping monitors, it is one of them.

i agree about keeping names out of it, my bad.

I went to find the original thread and it has disappeared.
I didn't read it after my original follow up, it must have gotten ugly.
Glad I missed it.

no, that guy told oscar he could lick his bz or something to that effect and below in some posts was making crude sexual remarks and being nothing but a jerk to people. so they pulled his posts.

here is what i perceived to be happening in our conversation that was erased. i was talking about what someone does and said it worked. you replied and said, "what for eggs?"

is that what you got out of it?

i assumed that you were asking what that person's motive was at the time, and not mine.

of course one of my motives is to get eggs. it is not the only reason i keep monitors though. for crap sake, there are better ways to make a dollar. and to make money is not the only reason i want eggs. i want baby monitors because it is fun to see them hatch and raise them up, in my mind the investment possibilities always came second. but i am not dumb either.

anyways, i could go on. i just ask that you guys stop trying to figure me out (my motives) or atleast take what i have to say. i keep monitors because i like them, i have some because they are cool and i see them as a possible investment. there is nothing wrong with that.

andrew

I don't care if you or anyone else want to stick popsicle sticks up your monitors butt and display them (I said the same thing to Jefe).
I wouldn't recommend it though.....

that was pretty funny.

yeah, i don't think i will be. maybe something else. maybe qtips or something, lol.

rsg, i always appreciate your calm advice, i have learned a lot from it.

andrew

I do not want or need to respond to you. I try to avoid you. The reason is, your not about monitors, Your about you. You need to figure yourself out, then keep animals. The animals will not define you.

Who cares if Joe or Rsg or I, are nice guys, I am sure Joe is, Rsg on the other hand????? Of course I am really nice(unless I don't like you)(which normally has nothing to do with reptiles)

We have said, this and that about monitors, then its always followed up with, you must apply that to your own wants and situation. That is what Joe does, I do, and Rsg. We all do the same thing differently. Why we do them is our own business, and really none of yours. The reason is, you really ough to figure out WHY YOU do what you do.

Then you should work on WHAT YOU do and not what others do.

The reason I no longer talk to you is, you twist everything to fit people(you) and what they think, not fit monitors. Your worried about Joe or Brad, or Rsg, or FR, or some other sucker of the week. Dude, heatum and feedum, the rest is about you. Not me or them.

Last piece of advice, stop judging things, You judge everything and everybody. Maybe thats your personal problem, you may keep judging yourself. May I add, you normally judge things poorly, maybe even you.

So please, leave me alone, do not ask me anything about anything. And please quit envolving you.