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Poop Paranoia

okay16 Mar 17, 2004 02:51 PM

My Black Throats poo is runny... kind of a brownish greyish color... what's the deal? Too much Soaking, to high humidity, to high temps?

Thanks!

Replies (13)

andrew owen Mar 17, 2004 03:58 PM

you don't tell us all about your husbandry. this includes diet.

andrew

matthewmq Mar 17, 2004 04:39 PM

take his/hers faeces to the vet for an exam my nile once had similar symptoms it turned out to be worms
mat

okay16 Mar 17, 2004 11:29 PM

He's 2feet 4inches about [including tail]
In a 55 Gallon
9 inches of dirt
basking 130 - 145
cool - 75
gets sprayed everyday, dirt gets mostiened when needed
weekly soaks

Eating mice and ground turkey/chicken with T-Rex Suppliments

andrew owen Mar 18, 2004 04:36 AM

if that is what you have going on with your husbandry and enclosure there is not much else to say.

perhaps go to a vet with a stool sample.

only thing i can think of is your ground turkey, it causes runny stools, i do not recommend it. there is plenty of mice around.

andrew

andrew owen Mar 18, 2004 04:37 AM

how do you know what the temps are? do you own a temp gun?

andrew

okay16 Mar 18, 2004 08:54 AM

I use a digital thermometer with probe. Works down to a tenth of a degree.

ziggythenile Mar 18, 2004 03:23 PM

is a 2'4" monitor in a 55 gallon humane? My nile is a little over a foot and will have a new tank within the month (mine is currently 55 gallon)

andrew owen Mar 19, 2004 12:52 AM

read that far into it or remember the 2'4inch part.

humane? probably not, but not as bad as it gets, but that is not what we are after as monitor keepers. we are after ideal.

my monitors are in huge cages for their size, that is how it should be i think. it brings about real behaviors.

andrew

JPsShadow Mar 18, 2004 05:05 PM

The temps are not all that bad, but in your setup they might be.
I say this because of the size of lizard you have. It is over 2 foot in a 55gal. So it's length is half or more of the cage. The width of a 55 gal. unless it is a breeder tank is not much. Even if it was a breeder tank it still is roughly a little over half the lizards length. Now that being said can your lizard fully go under the basking area and then fully away? Also can it find a place in between those temps????

Runny stool can be from parasites or diet. Basically if it is not getting roughage (in a monitors case hair or even feathers) its still will be lose and runny. The hair is not digested, and niether are feathers. This allows it to clump the stool together and clean the animals pipes so to speak. The only way this clumping can harm your animal is if your husbandry does not allow for it to properly digest and defecate.

If your worried about the runny stoll see a vet.

Good luck

okay16 Mar 18, 2004 10:44 PM

I really don't think the enclosure is too small.

His 2'4'', probably more than half is tail.

The the area that's over 90F is about a foot and a half long and the rest is about two and a half long. the furthest square foot being somewere between 75 - 78, the middle 1.5fot is 79 - 85 and the last foot and half is 9 - 93 with a basking of 130 - 150.

Agian, he has plenty of room to move around, burrow, and explore. His health and everything seems fine, eating, clear eyes, wieghty, flicks tongue at everything, and active.

Only 2 concerns... Runny stools and shed seems too be taking a while =/.... gonna raise humidity some more.

Thanks, agian.

okay16 Mar 18, 2004 10:48 PM

Oh, and yes, he curls up or stretches out nicely under the basking area or the cool area. When I pick him up, his body is pretty warm, so I don't think his heating area is too small as his entire body can fit under it.

All help appreciated =)

JPsShadow Mar 18, 2004 11:17 PM

well a 55 gal. tank is 48"L x 13"D x 21"H

So in tha a 2 foot 4 inch lizard is fine and can explore??
To me that would mean his head is under the basking site, his body in the middle and his tail tip is cooling off?

Plus you said the last end is 90 and 130 basking? How can it be both at the sametime?

Trust me I am not picking on you, I just don't understand how you can think that the cage is roomy? Idealy a reptile should have ample room so it can properly thermoregulate. I don't see how offering it the very minimal size and ranges can allow him to properly do this. I have monitors this size and to think of sticking them in my 55gal. with my baby uromastyx is crazy to me.

You also say it seems healthy? if it was healthy you wouldnt be asking why its stool is runny, and now you also said it takes awhile to shed. Both can be signs of stress, or a need to tweek your husbandry.

Tweeking or needing to is not a bad thing until you fail to realize it.

So please don't take offense and feel the need to comment, just take in the advice given to you.

okay16 Mar 19, 2004 08:28 AM

No offense taken =)

The are directly under the light is 130, while the surrounding area goes from 90 - 93.

Why is it that people recomend 6x2 foot cages for 4 foot Savannahs and a 4x1 is too small for a 2'4'' black throat?

When he's directly under the basking area his entire body/head fits in, but his tail is more in the 90 area? is this bad?

I guess I should get a new cage soon then.

I've kept Leopard Geckos and beardies.... not too experienxed with these larger lizards =P thanks

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