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Can anyone tell me the best way to sex my frogs?
Also I bought two as a pair and both make quiet clucking, or croaking sounds when you pick them up.
Did I get ripped off and both are males. Can female Waxy Monkey Frogs make vocal sounds. I thought only males of all frog species could make calls or vocal sounds.

Both sexes of most frogs will vocalize when disturbed. It is not an accurate way of sexing, it's merely a release response and a way of saying "leave me alone." Vocalization is not the same as calling, which is only done by males to attract a mate. Some female frogs of various species will chime in when the males call during breeding season, but it generally is a different sound all together. If you have two frogs, they both must be sexually mature before you can sex them. Are they adults?
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They were bought as a pair but both look exactly the same.
Someone told me to look for a brown band on the thumb but I don't see it.
One is smaller than the other and I was told that is the female.
I thought the females were the larger ones.

Your friend is right, nuptialpads is the easiest and msot accurate way to sex sauvagei. If the humidity raises slightly, they will form these on the inside of their hands to grasp the females. Good luck
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CB Male P. sauvagei from Patrick Nabors
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures
2.4.0 P. sauvagei
3.2. P. hypochondrialis
2.0.0 P. vaillanti
0.0.3 P. aurotaenia
2.2.0 B. orientalis
0.0.10 S. pustulosa
0.0.1 M. laevigata
0.0.1 M. milotympanum
1.0.0 T. horsefieldi

I just love these they are my absolute favorite. I have one male that I have for over a year now and one I got recently. I would like a female but can never find them. Where did you find yours?
I just love how slow and methodical they are and their call is so cute. I love the little popping sound. My male would call every night throughout the summer months when I raised his humidity.

I just purchased the group at a few local pet stores and got that ratio. It was more of a rescue for 2.0 of them, but the others weren't kept bad. I'd like to get 5-10 more sometime. I agree, their call is very cool. My sauvagei will sometimes cal when they hear the hypos, but they sound like a grunt or bellow.
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CB Male P. sauvagei from Patrick Nabors
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures
2.4.0 P. sauvagei
3.2. P. hypochondrialis
2.0.0 P. vaillanti
0.0.3 P. aurotaenia
2.2.0 B. orientalis
0.0.10 S. pustulosa
0.0.1 M. laevigata
0.0.1 M. milotympanum
1.0.0 T. horsefieldi

I am a first time poster.

I recently bought two monkey tree frogs from two separate pet stores. I am keeping them separate for now. One is smaller but ate within hours of bringing him home and stalked the first night. He did everything the book said he would, including turning a reddish brown after lights out. He changes from green to a dull grey brown during the day.

The other frog has sat in the same position in the bushes for three and a half days now with no apparent movement. I misted him on two days since he had not entered the water. Then I moved him, bush and all, into a kritter keeper and then he did eat 2 crickets that ran up on the bush. He is fat (maybe too fat) and I was told previously ate 4 crickets every other night. He is always the same dull grey brown.

I am a bit confused about their species. I believe they are phyllomedusa hypochondrialis (northern) or p.h. azurea (southern)orange legged leaf frogs. Mine look more like the azurea pictures I have seen, although I understand the azurea to be more rare. These frogs are also advertised as tiger-legged monkey frogs, but I understood those to be phyllomedusa tomopterna. The distinction is important because the hypochondrialis require dryer, hotter conditions. Like waxy tree frogs, I am keeping mine at 84 degrees during the day with a 95 degree basking temperature in a 10 gallon tank. I have an 18 inch UVB flourescent and a 25 watt red incandescent basking lamp. I am not misting them. I have a shallow bowl of water and an air plant in moss that I mist. I am using white paper towels as a substrate (after abandoning moss).

I just got the bigger and non-moving frog and I dunno if I should return him. Is my tank too small for two of these small frogs? I want to see how much they eat before I join them after the 21 or 30 day quarantine anyway.

Would the little frog be happier alone?

I would appreciate your time and patience to answer any of these questions. Thank you in advance.

I have 2 happy firebellied toads in a separate tank.

Hey,

Paper towels are great for quarintine and it prevents impaction. Your tanks do sound too warm though, I usually have mine around 85*F, which may be why yours is unactive. Make sure there's about a 10*F drop at night also, to make it around 75*F. Your are right, tiger-legged are P. tomopterna and orange-legged are hypochondrialis. I think you may have a book on red eyes and other leaf frogs by R.D. Bartlett? I have the book also and it tlaks about northern and southern hypochondrialis. Some think that they are all the same species, while other, like in the book, believe there's a Phyllomedusa hypochiondrialis hypochondrialis and a Phyllomedusa hypochondrialis azuerum. The book mentions that one (don't remember which) has a line on the upper lip which is used to distinguish it, (if you don't have this book and have no idea what I'm talking about, bear with me, the book only costs about $7 too if you want to get it). Pothos, snake plants, chinese evergreen, bromeliads mounted on cork bark,etc. are all good plants for the quarintine tank and I highly suggest them. I would not take your frog back because it doesn't move a lot, hypochondrialis usually don't move much and maybe yours has moved but returned to the same place to sleep, not likely, but possible. I have some waxys that won't move for 3-4 days until I move them to thier water dish after getting worried. You can mist them about once a day, usually at night to wake thme up and provide moisture through the night and allow the tnak to dry during the day. Are your "dusting" the crickets you feed them? By using a mix of Herptivite and Rep-Cal about once weekly. Remember to noy mix the supplements right before you dist the crickets and then throw the extra away, because the two cancel each other out and then have no value. I hope this helps some, check out my web site for more and fell free to ask more questions on here or e-mail me privately. Good luck.
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CB Male P. sauvagei from Patrick Nabors
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures
2.4.0 P. sauvagei
3.2. P. hypochondrialis
2.0.0 P. vaillanti
0.0.3 P. aurotaenia
2.2.0 B. orientalis
0.0.10 S. pustulosa
0.0.1 M. laevigata
0.0.1 M. milotympanum
1.0.0 T. horsefieldi

From what I've researched, I had concluded that the P.Hypochondrialis is the Tiger- or Orange-legged Waxy Monkey Treefrog, and the P. Tomopterna was the Tiger-Legged Lemur Treefrog (due to the lovely stinky reception they make when disturbed).

As for the P.Hypo.Hypo/Hypo.Azurea debate... I have seen/raised/researched both species, and other than very-minimal differences (size/mass, climate, minimal coloration differences), they are virtually indistinguishable.

I would first raise the humidity slightly (around 55-65%) at night, and keep even temps. around 85f during the day as Derek suggested. To keep that temp even, I use a 40-60watt (depending on the temp. of the room/weather/etc) mounted at @ 6 inches from the top of the tank. I also ditched a red nightlamp, and switched to a moonlight/blue filtered one... and they responded rather quickly to that.

I also mist the tank twice or so a day, depending on the humidity, and/or use a half-screen/half-plexi top to control the levels (so it can dry out during the day). During the day, the tank is around 30 or 40%, and at night it's been up to 85% (during a very humid "wet" season, while they were breeding).

P.Hypo/Azurea don't move around all that much in the first few hours of the night, but for a good three or four hours between night and dawn, mine roam around, call the dickens out of each other (including a new call I've recently discovered from the dominant male), and eat me out of 2wk old crickets and fruit flies. One of the younger males is even starting to come into his own, and is trying to enter amplexus with any frog that crosses his path (much to the chagrin of the dominant male, which he always seems to find).