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Ok, ya got me! Q's

zoodude Mar 18, 2004 11:33 PM

Candoia are in my future! Judging by my limited experience with the genus and the frustrated posts, I think these must be some of the most difficult snakes to keep. Yet, the challenge and beauty of them seems to make them terribly rewarding. So:

Q. Like most, I worry about parasites and disease in my snakes. I noticed that alternative prey items are very common, have any of you used frozen/thawed lizards or frogs to reduce the risk? Or are live all that is accepted?

Q. On which gods do you call for patience?

About 8 years ago I tried keeping a neonate viper boa (tried being the key word). I've gained much experience since then, but haven't undertaken the challenge of Candoia again. Now, I stumble onto this forum....
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Zoodude

"Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't after me."

Replies (7)

sigbboy Mar 19, 2004 04:46 AM

Hello----- Patience is a must with these boas. Since you say you are new, try to locate a captive breed one. One or two CB or LTWC adults would be easier. I used a frozen/thawed green tree frog once or twice (dead) and it worked for me. That seemed like it jumped started the feeding responce. I easily got them to eat scented pinks/fuzzies later. The smaller they are it seems movement plays a big part in the feeding responce.

No gods in particular Just remember these Boas are not like any of the common species we all keep also. The established adults are the easiest snakes I have ever kept. These snakes have taught me more about feeding, husbrandry, and the natural history of them than anything else I have ever kept. If you want, I have a yahoo group site to check out also. Most everyone here is a member also. Not a bad one in the bunch There is lots to check out there. Randy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pacificislandboas

Kikai Mar 19, 2004 08:58 AM

Hiya! I've never had luck with frozen, always fed live geckos. I figure I'll do this until they get a little bigger and then try switching to pinks. I agree with the statement that movement plays an important part in the feeding response with neonates. They get easier as they get older.
As far as praying, I find that I get a good response from Caffeineia, in all her wonderous forms. Imbibing the Great Captain Morgan in combination with Caffeineia also helps.
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1.1 Ball Python 0.0.1 corn snake 1.0 Bearded Dragon
0.0.2 fish 1.2 cats 3.1 kids 1.0 husband and now...
0.0.1 Pink Zebra Beauty Tarantula
2.0 Solomon Island Boas

Raven01 Mar 19, 2004 10:10 AM

I definitely wouldn't classify them as the most difficult, but they're up there in the lists. IMO many of the really frustrated posts are from people new to keeping snakes or who haven't really done their research on any of the Candoia in particular. They are definitely not like most of the other boas & pythons out there and not a snake I'd recommend for someone who isn't already experienced with snake keeping. Proper husbandry is an absolute must with these guys....anything less causes major problems. However, the sucesses with them far outweigh any difficulties in my book.

Parasites can be an issue, especially with wc animals. Most of the wc you can purchase will already have been treated, but it doesn't hurt to keep an eye out for problems. I never tried frozen herps for food with my one picky eater, just live frogs, geckos & anoles...none of which worked for him BTW...although I do have a friend on anther forum who uses f/t geckos for one of her Halmaheras. I ended up having to force feed my guy after a few months because he started losing weight (he was probably a couple of years old when I got him, about 12 inches and wc). What eventually ended up working for him were pinkies/fuzzies bred from wild caught field mice that my Mom raised for me. He snatched those right up from the get-go. It's really all trial and error with these guys to find out what works best for your particular animal. Once you get them to feeding for a few meals, then you can worry about switching them to rodent prey if they don't already take it.

Do avoid frequent prayer to the diety of your choice, I'd recommend purchasing either an older animal, or one from a reputable breeder who already has them feeding on pinkies (such as Jerry Conway or Central Florida Reptile Breeders). Older animals tend to take rodents more easily than babies and aren't quite so fragile as neonates can be. With proper care...and plenty of patience, lots & lots of patience sometimes...the babies can be real rewarding. As was mentioned to a poster below, don't expect quick growth, or for them to like temperatures in the range of most other boas, and don't overfeed - these are some of the most common mistakes with people new to these little guys. Once you get the basic husbandry requirements right and allow them to settle in, things tend to go smoother. I guess the main thing is to know that these little guys aren't going to bend to our expectations, we have to adjust to them...and they're more than worth it IMO.

Raven

zoodude Mar 19, 2004 08:53 PM

Like I said, Candoia are in my future. I can't say how far out there yet.

There doesn't seem to be too many captive bred animals in the genus, and (forgive the self-rightousness) I only keep captive bred. I can't justify wc...yada yada... I will also want to start with a neonate (or two). I look forward to the challenge, and would prefer the slow growth to the instant gratification of an adult. Although an established juvenile might be a good comprimise.

Anyway, with these self-imposed limits and my own money issues it could be a while. Which gives me time to do my homework and make some room. Anybody wanna buy some non-Candoia herps?

I need more pictures...
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Zoodude

"Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't after me."

sigbboy Mar 20, 2004 01:17 AM

Yep. we have you nibbling on the bait!! ha ha. No, they are awesome animals. The old saying that "patience is a virtue" really applies here. Like I said, We are not going through anything different than say what the Grayband Kingsnake pioneers experienced. In the yahoo group there are lots of photos and the reference area can help you find more than enough picks. Randy

carl3 Mar 19, 2004 11:19 PM
zoodude Mar 20, 2004 08:12 PM

Candoia time is the right time. Candoia time is the right time.
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Zoodude

"Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't after me."

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