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wondering if i breed this 2 what morph will came out? will i get het for patternless and 100 albino?

You are correct. you will get all albino babies that are het for albino green.

How about NOT crossing them? Avoid messing up the gene pool.
Unless, of course, you can think of ONE single good reason for crossing them, other than $$$$$$.

Man, you need to relax with this don't do it crap. Albino patternless and albino burmese pythons have been readily available for over ten years. Now you please explain how this is in any way going to adversley effect the gene pool. They are both still Burms (not that I have a problem with hybrids) so it is still a pure animal. These are naturally occuring morphs individual. It just took a little assistance to put these morphs toether. Honastly what harm has come from it. You need to either be constructive in your criticism and explain why one shouldn't do something or just back off and let people breed, crossbreed, and create the snakes that they wish. If you do not like them then you do not have to buy them. You remind me of someone that blames television for the problems with the youth of today. Instead of monitoring your children and what they watch, you would be the type to try and sue the networks for corrupting your childrens minds. Todd

The problem has to do with population dynamics. I agree that albino and patternless burms are "naturally occurring". But those rare ones in the wild end up having their genes diluted. Nature does not grab an albino from south India, and grab another albino from 500 miles away, and let them breed.

Albinos and patternless are not "pure" variations. They have genetic (faults) that give them that appearance.

But, man, in his infinite wisdom, has decided to play with the gene pool. And I mean play. Several times I have challenged individuals to offer good reasons for their morphs, not a single taker. Anyway, the issue is that the population of these morphs is becoming significant, to the point of being a threat to the gene pool. That's all. That simple.

No, I wouldn't sue the TV networks for their crappy shows. I believe in individualism and personal responsibility. Which is why I raise this issue in the first place. If just one morpher reconsidered morphing, I will have succeeded in a small way. I don't want to offend or insult anyone, just openly discuss the ramifications of morphing.

I can give you a couple of variables that will push a breeder to either hybridize snakes and /or creates morphs. First, Lets start with the hybridization of burms with Rocks. Rock pythons are commonly thought of as especially difficult snakes to deal with and extremely challenging to handle. If you produce hybrids with the relatively placid burm you are trying to infuse some of the burmese's great temperment into the rock pythons. If this is done enough over a few generations and then bred back to rocks to minimize the appearance differences you could have placid Rock pythons.
Next let go to the ball pythons, wich has about forty or so naturally occuring morphs, and while they are a defect that doesn't necassarily mean that it is a flaw and that snake would have died before reaching maturity and being able to pass on its genes to offspring. Well once a person obtains one of the natural occuring morphs, he/she decides that it is a beautiful animal and therefore decides to breed it. By breeding this morph he is producing animals that are far more beautiful the the normal wild appearance of the same snake, ie...albino, pastel, spiders, etc.
And the bottom line is that if you want to be a successfull breeder you must produce what the customer wants. The demand for the morphs is higher and therefore that is what will be produced. A breeder can not make a living selling normals, when the average person would just go to there local pet store and buy one(probably a wc). It all comes down to what the customers want. Todd

I'm not really a fan of morphs either, I like them in the natural form better. I don't necessarily fault those that are into this though and I find some of the results "interesting".

But if they are in captivity, aren't they essentially out of the gene pool anyway? If there was an reintroduction program for a given animal, I would think the genetics of the animals being reintroduced would be a known - meaning they would not be acquiring animals from the hobbiest/breeder unless their were strict controls in place. If the occasional morph were to find the wild again wouldn't the natural ability to compete be impared and/or the genetics be normalized relatively quickly?