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Pillaging goes on online

sobek Mar 20, 2004 10:39 AM

Soldiers put Iraq 'war trophies' on eBay

By Matt Smith
CNN
Thursday, March 18, 2004 Posted: 11:17 PM EST (0417 GMT)

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A year after the U.S.-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq, items touted as having come from Saddam's palaces have turned up for sale on the auction Web site eBay.

The seller of one secondhand rug lists the previous owner of the roughly 6-by-9-foot piece of carpet as ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Customers can also bid on silverware embossed with the Iraqi army's crest and a copy of the Koran, the Muslim holy book, which is purported to be from a Baghdad compound.

A spokesman for U.S. Central Command told CNN that U.S. troops should have been prohibited from bringing such items home from Iraq. But the men selling the items say they had no trouble bringing them back.

Spc. Adam Dearinger, who is asking a minimum of $850 for the rug, is among those who brought home war trophies with no problems.

"We didn't think we were going to be able to get them home, but they said we could take 10 items," Dearinger said.

He and other members of his unit at first took rugs from one of Saddam's many palaces to soften their quarters in a hangar at Baghdad International Airport, he said.

Dearinger, 21, was part of the 3rd Forward Support Battalion -- part of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which led the advance on the Iraqi capital from the west.

"We went through about 15 or 20 different palaces," he said. In one, "There were 15 rugs there, and every one of us grabbed one and we took them."

Another Iraq war veteran, Brian Cramer, is asking $150 for a Koran he said he found in one Baghdad compound.

Cramer's unit, the 519th Military Police Battalion, followed the 3rd Infantry Division into the Iraqi capital as Saddam's government collapsed.

"We got up there to Baghdad International Airport, and then we went around -- the guy told us it was sort of palace hunting. We were looking for a place to stay," he said.

"I went in there and there was this room that was all blown up," he added. "I found this Koran and I found, like, a prayer robe -- that's what the Iraqis told me it was."

Cramer, who now lives in Pennsylvania, said he found two copies of the book in a section of the palace hit by a precision-guided bomb during the three-week invasion. He said he is saving the other copy for his 5-month-old son.

Both Cramer and Dearinger said the items they're now selling were declared and cleared by U.S. Customs upon their return home.

"They didn't say anything bad about taking the rugs home, or artifacts. They considered them war trophies," Dearinger said.

But Cmdr. Dan Gage, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, said soldiers are not allowed to bring back "war trophies" -- only legally purchased souvenirs.

"Would this fall under that? I don't know," Gage said.

Dearinger said decisions about what was a legitimate souvenir were left up to individual commanders. But Gage said the regulations covering war trophies don't appear to leave much to an officer's discretion.

"How strictly that's enforced, I really couldn't speak for these units," he said.

Cramer, 24, was sent home in August after he re-tore a previously injured knee ligament while on patrol in Baghdad. He left the Army in October and is now studying to be a civilian police officer.

He said Customs classified his copies of the Koran "as a piece of history."

Dearinger is still in the Army, stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia. He's also offering silverware from an Iraqi palace for sale.

He said he brought home numerous items from the palaces, including crystal and a teapot with a woman's figure inlaid in colored glass -- "different little things I thought would be nice to take home to the wife."

Replies (7)

rearfang Mar 21, 2004 08:39 AM

What you present is most likely true. But what is the point? All armies pillage to an extent. Just a by product of war.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

greyhound Mar 21, 2004 10:18 AM

So what! Are you angry that you aren't making money from the war? How much stuff would you have brought or sent home? Truckloads probably.

rodmalm Mar 22, 2004 08:46 AM

All this, and no mention of the billions that Saddam stole from his own country? Some of which was intended as humanitarian aid so his people wouldn't starve!

Yeah, it would have been much better to let that butcher stay in power "pillaging" billions during peace, than to have a few of our marines make a couple of hundred in a time of war.

I also wonder what percentage of soldiers are doing this "pillaging". Probably the inverse (less than 1%) to the soldiers that support this war (more than 99%).

Have you heard all the soldiers who came back from Iraq saying how 99.9% of them support this action and Bush? Or how the media won't interview soldiers in Iraq unless they have something bad to say about the U.S. and Bush? (Say something good, and the interview is over!--eventually the media will find someone who doesn't like bush, and that will make the news!) Or how the U.S. news shows, that they get from satellite, are nothing like what the soldiers are actually seeing in Iraq? Or how the media won't cover all the good the soldiers are doing over there? (building and improving schools, getting electricity and water supplies up and running, rebuilding business, rebuilding the country basically, after Saddam looted it.) Try and listen to a "right wing" radio show and see how many callers say this. I hear a lot of "left wing" radio, and I don't hear any callers that came back from Iraq saying the opposite!"

And so what if they were taking goods from Saddam's palaces? He got those things by taking our money that was intended to help his people. You don't think our soldiers were taking this type of stuff from Iraqi civilians do you? (That I would condemn wholeheartedly!)

Rodney

rearfang Mar 22, 2004 09:07 AM

I don't know if it has changed since I was in the Navy, but the majority of news we were exposed to (especially at sea) was Armed forces Radio. Which during the "Nam" years did not broadcast anything negative about that war (at least what I heard...and one of my duties as quartermaster (besides navigation)was to moniter comunications).

Perspectives are almost allways biased depending on what influence the reporter wants to promote. There is a fine line between selecting which facts to report and falsifying a news story. Not honorable, but it's what we have.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

sobek Mar 22, 2004 02:04 PM

>>All this, and no mention of the billions that Saddam stole from his own country? Some of which was intended as humanitarian aid so his people wouldn't starve!

Like the right when telling how Saddam killed all those people with gas, did it Hand-n-Hand with American weapons, and support.

>>Yeah, it would have been much better to let that butcher stay in power "pillaging" billions during peace, than to have a few of our marines make a couple of hundred in a time of war.

What about the millions Haliburton is "pillaging" from this country, using this war as a means to do it? Why dont the money these marines are making off this "pillaging" go back to the Iraqi people, and not into their own pockets? If the Iraqi people are so important to them, like you claim.

>>And so what if they were taking goods from Saddam's palaces? He got those things by taking our money that was intended to help his people. You don't think our soldiers were taking this type of stuff from Iraqi civilians do you?

Just because you steal from a thief, does not mean your not a thief. Funny you said he got those things from OUR money. That just goes to show who kept him in in power..lol I don't know if they take things from civilians, I would not put it past them. Its one thing to take a personal souvenir, and another to loot for profit, That makes you kinda like a pirate.. Arrr

rodmalm Mar 23, 2004 10:11 PM

Halliburton is pillaging? Since when? Where did you get that info.? Why is their P/E ratio so low?

Halliburtion's profits from government contracts is legislated as a percentage of their costs incurred on that contract. That is why Bush's pentagon is always auditing them to make sure their costs are honest.

If Halliburton is pillaging, how come they had a $810 million dollar loss?

moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/wizards/srwfund.asp?Symbol=HAL

When Saddam was killing his own people with gas, we we're helping him? I know it has been alleged, but can you prove it?

I know we provided precursor chemicals that could have been, and were intended for use in many other industries, and that the Iraqis then used them to make these chemical weapons, but we did not give them chemical weapons or help them use them as far as I Know. If you have a reputible source that confirms this, I would love to see it, for my own information.---Or is this just more disinformation from the left?

Funny you said he got those things from OUR money. That just goes to show who kept him in in power

What? The United States provides far more humanitarian aid than the rest of the world combined, and because Saddam misused what the U.S generously gave, and was intended for humanitarian aid, we are at fault for trying to help?--What a twisted world you live in.

I guess I better not ever give a bum on the street any money for food, because that would make me a criminal when he buys drugs with it? It also makes me at fault for helping a drug dealer make money? I don't think so!

Spock, and all the other vulcans, are dying from your logic!

Rodney

greyhound Mar 22, 2004 08:16 PM

Great post Rodney! Keep up the good work.

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