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i acuired a male and female veil @ 2mths old and are now 7/8 mths ols. both healthy, eating dusted crickets(miner-al) and occ. megaworms. they share the same enclosure and she had been showing receptive colors for about a mth and witnessed mating about 2 wks ago. she has become rounded in the middle. the 19th i saw what appeared to be a clear sac protruding from her rear and being new to the cham-laying thing thought this was a pre-laying experience, took out the male and left her alone.she's not showing any stress colors.
next day, the "sac" wasn't clear- swelling went down back there? realized a more serious problem- it appears that her rectum was that"sac" and has not gone back in (prolapsed anus?). i cleaned her up and put vaseline on it to keep it moist and waited. next day no change. cleaned her up again put Prep H on it to further reduce the swelling and make her more comfy and still it doesn't look better - it looks worse!
what can cause this and what do i do now??

the two bits of advice I would have are to definitely keep the male and female seperate, while they might seem to get along it is most likely they stress each other out.
Also if it has not gotten better I would take your female to the vet ASAP, to save both her and possible eggs she might be carrying. I am no expert on what exactly is going on or causing the medical problem but I know that keeping veileds together causes big problems usually.

Just my 2 cents
~Erin

No way should a male and female veiled be kept together unless the enclosure is the size of green house. I don't know anything about the sack but i'd say your best bet is to get her to a vet immediately.
I hope everything turns out all right
Stevie

By keeping these two animals together you are killing the female. She may die within weeks or months but you ARE killing her and she WILL die soon unless you change your husbandry immediately. She needs her own cage IMMEDIATELY and she needs to have a proper laying chamber. See
http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/chcalyptratus.html.

What you saw is some sort of prolapse. If it happens again she'll need immediate veterinary care to save her life. And you need to dtermine why it's occuring. lack of adequate hydration can make defecation difficult and cause straining and proplapses but there are other potential causes as well.
veiled profile

the person i bought them from said it was fine to house them together as long as the enclosure was big enough for the two.
they both are hydrated and have a water (fountain) she also told me that they come from an arrid climate and didn't need to be misted DAILY as other chams do.
could her hunting crickets on the peat moss and ingesting the peat impacted her?

i have her card and number and called - DISCONNECTED! no email address.
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1.1 veiled chams

The person you bought from misinformed you, you can keep a male and femal together if the cage is large nough, thats true but did they tell you the cage has to be the size of a greenhouse. Yes they do need misted everyday and they may not be getting proper hydration from the fountain (they can't percieve standing water as we can only when it moves or light refracts off of it.

As a general rule, never listen to anyone from a pet store when it comes to Chamelons. 9 times out of 10 they will give you false information. Chamelons require specialized care.

Get rid of the peat moss. No substrate on the floor is needed. Get a separate cage for the female, and provide a digging pot. Mist three times a day. Get rid of the waterfall.

Search this forum's archives for further info.

I think I saw a case of rectal prolapse asked about on this forum a while back... you may want to search the forums for that too. You may find some good links for help. Good luck.

looked through 2003 forums and it looks like sugar water helps reduce swelling and use ky/ vaseline and bandage. quite a few people have had success stories w/ this remedy. she'll be getting a soaking today. changing her to paper towels also.

The person you them from is a blithering idiot. Read the profile at adcham.com that I sent you before. They DO need frequent misting and a lot of dri[pping just as other chams. And they should NEVER be housed together. and they should NEVER have a substrate that can be ingested. As I said before, your chams will die very soon if radicalo corrective measures are not taken.
Ed