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I picked this little guy up at the Dixie Reptile Show over the weekend. He was sold to me as an Amel Hurricane Motley that's het Caramel. Would someone explain how this is different than frosted? His saddles look just like a frosted to me. I'm eventually planning to breed him to a caramel female, so how would the Huricane genes work? I'd get 1/2 caramels 100% het amel & motley and 1/2 normals triple het caramel, motley, and amel. Is Hurricane simple recessive, or what? Thanks for any input!

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9.28 Leopard Geckos (eggs incubating)
1.1 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
2.5 Paroedura picta(eggsincubating)
1.1 Paroedura picta (Xanthic/Amel)
1.1 Paroedura bastardi(eggs incubating)
1.1 Paroedura androyensis
1.1 Hemitheconyx caudicinctus
1.1 Cyrtodactylus irianjayensis
1.1 Gekko gecko
1.1 Pachydactylus turneri
1.1 Uroplatus henkeli
1.2 Teratolepis fasciata

Snakes
1.0 Ball Python
2.5 Corns of various morphs

First of all, that is a sweet looking snake.

Your aasumption is correct about the genetics:
Female is : Caramel
Male is : Amel Motley het. Caramel
Offspring is predicted :
1/2 het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Caramel
1/2 Caramel, het. Amel, het. Motley

But, I see no frosted in it. Frosted and Hurricane is not simple recessive. You can get Hurricanes by selective breeding. To me it looks like a normal Motley. Hurricane will show rings around the round saddles giving them the 'donut' look.

Here is an excellent example of a frosted Motley from Don Soderberg:

And here is a great Hurricane example:
(Also from Don Soderberg)

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

>>First of all, that is a sweet looking snake.
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>>Your aasumption is correct about the genetics:
>>Female is : Caramel
>>Male is : Amel Motley het. Caramel
>>Offspring is predicted :
>>1/2 het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Caramel
>>1/2 Caramel, het. Amel, het. Motley
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>>But, I see no frosted in it. Frosted and Hurricane is not simple recessive. You can get Hurricanes by selective breeding. To me it looks like a normal Motley. Hurricane will show rings around the round saddles giving them the 'donut' look.
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>>Here is an excellent example of a frosted Motley from Don Soderberg:
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>>And here is a great Hurricane example:
>>Also from Don Soderberg)
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>>Marcel Poots (Holland)
>>'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

Thanks for the reply Marcel. That cleared up what "hurricane" is - I wasn't exactly sure. But I'm still a little confused - if it isn't frosted, what is the faded coloration on the last half of the snake? On the front half of him, the red is normal colored, but on the back half it looks faded. Any ideas? Here's a bad pic of the part of the snake I'm referring to.

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Currently keeping:

Geckos:
Eublepharis macularius (various morphs), Paroedura picta (banded, stripe, and amel), Paroedura bastardi bastardi, Paroedura androyensis, Hemitheconyx caudicinctus, Rhacodactylus ciliatus, Cyrtodactylus irianjayensis, Gekko gecko, Pachydactylus turneri, Uroplatus henkeli, Teratolepis fasciata, and Oedura monilis.

Snakes:
Corns, a single ball python, and a pair of Taiwan Beauties

>>I picked this little guy up at the Dixie Reptile Show over the weekend. He was sold to me as an Amel Hurricane Motley that's het Caramel. Would someone explain how this is different than frosted? His saddles look just like a frosted to me. I'm eventually planning to breed him to a caramel female, so how would the Huricane genes work? I'd get 1/2 caramels 100% het amel & motley and 1/2 normals triple het caramel, motley, and amel. Is Hurricane simple recessive, or what? Thanks for any input!

Nice little addition !!!!

Jimmy