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I understand the cycle of coccidia (did a search) and that it normally lives in the gut of dragons. What I don't understand is where a 2 month old dragon could get, on a scale of 1-4, 4 plus on coccidia, flagyl and motile bacteria. I was told by the pet store that I got my first beardie (Koda) at that showed these bacterias in his fecal, that it was from the baby eating the mothers poo and that I got the fecal done to early b/c the dragons system would normally flush them out. Is this even correct? Another person said that the flagyl bacteria could be from feeder insects, ie crix, is this true? If not, where would a dragon pick up these bacteria? If this is normally from feeder insects, do you guys routinely treat for different bacterias with something like parazap to make sure your dragons stay healthy?

Mostly curious b/c Koda will be back up for sale again in a few weeks, he has tripled in size since I gave him back and is suppose to be doing much better. This makes me just a wee bit mad, b/c I was told that he was going back to the breeder so I would not have a chance to buy him back, and that's when I got Zeus from a breeder on the net. The pet store did say they treated him, forgot to ask what, but is it likely that Koda will actually be better and not have a relapse in symtoms?

If he truly is better, I have the hard decision of whether or not to buy him back again. I can't help but wander at the breeding conditions and other concerns that are present when you don't know the breeding history. Yet again, I am still attached to the little guy.

Thanks for your comments and listening to me ramble.
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Jamie
0.0.1 corn (Rio)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Zeus)

What I don't understand is where a 2 month old dragon could get, on a scale of 1-4, 4 plus on coccidia, flagyl and motile bacteria. I was told by the pet store that I got my first beardie (Koda) at that showed these bacterias in his fecal, that it was from the baby eating the mothers poo and that I got the fecal done to early b/c the dragons system would normally flush them out. Is this even correct?

No, the baby does not have contact with the mother, she would EAT him! They lay eggs and thats the end of their motherhood. Dragons will develope their own immune system in time and be able to deal better with things that pick up. Some researcher now beleive that an animal should not be treated with fecals show parasites/worms unless their health is obviously compromised

Another person said that the flagyl bacteria could be from feeder insects, ie crix, is this true? If not, where would a dragon pick up these bacteria?

Then can get them from other baby dragons they are housed with, food products both insects and greens/veggies and even in the case of flagellets(that are mobile bacteria) the water they drink or are misted with.

If this is normally from feeder insects, do you guys routinely treat for different bacterias with something like parazap to make sure your dragons stay healthy?

I might be wrong, but I do not think that parazap claims to treat bacteria, it does help ward against overloads of parasites.

Mostly curious b/c Koda will be back up for sale again in a few weeks, he has tripled in size since I gave him back and is suppose to be doing much better. This makes me just a wee bit mad, b/c I was told that he was going back to the breeder so I would not have a chance to buy him back, and that's when I got Zeus from a breeder on the net. The pet store did say they treated him, forgot to ask what, but is it likely that Koda will actually be better and not have a relapse in symtoms?

Once treated and rid of the problem, they can get them again, but its not like a infection laying dormant in them, they would have to be re-exposed to the parasites. Also, the fact he had them already there is a good chance he has built up some resistance to them developed in his immune system.

If he truly is better, I have the hard decision of whether or not to buy him back again. I can't help but wander at the breeding conditions and other concerns that are present when you don't know the breeding history. Yet again, I am still attached to the little guy.

If he is growing and thriving well, I would not be that concerned that he had parasites before, even babies from excellent breeder do experience these at time, especially when they have changed enviroments and been stressed.

Thanks for your comments and listening to me ramble.

Not Rambling, good questions!

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I had even gone through my reptile parasites book and came up with nothing on the motile (I guess it was mobile) bacteria. The only question I have left (for now ) is the breeder I got Zeus from says she de-worms her dragons at regular intervals. I don't remember with what, just wondering if anyone you know of does this same thing as a precaution or not? She does only give this treatment to the older dragons. Good luck with your supplemental questions on your other posts.
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Jamie
0.0.1 corn (Rio)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Zeus)

Some breedeer do what is called "shotgunning" the dragons with panacur. That's treating all for possible worms without the expense of individual fecals.

Maybe a good idea when you have a lot of dragons that live outside year round or the majority of time, but not something I would do.

Panacur is considered a fairly safe medication for them and rearly has any side effects. So basically there are two schools of thought on it.
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Panacur doesn't kill all worms. Actually I wouldn't use it in this case as you didn't describe any worms.
Bacteria is normal in the system to an extent. Coccidia isn't normal but in low amounts is asymptomatic.
It sounds like you still only have a rudementary feel for doing fecals, so don't be cheap and get your vet to do it. Same with the drugs, don't take our word for it. A vet will prescribe it and give you extra in the future if he/she feels comfortable with you abilities.
It's great that you are trying to learn new things, but I have to add that people stepping above their capabilities can cause a lot of problems.

Ian Kanda, Animal Health Technologist.

pepe15, me, the store or the breeder we were talking about that is not here and would never read this?

Panacur doesn't kill all worms. Actually I wouldn't use it in this case as you didn't describe any worms.

No one said that or that we were treating any worms, we're not. He asked about a breeder that supplies to a pet store that treats all adults I said "That's treating all for possible worms without the expense of individual fecals" not ALL WORMS, All the dragons, I also said I would NOT do that. Again, he was asking about the breeder and why they would do something

It sounds like you still only have a rudementary feel for doing fecals, so don't be cheap and get your vet to do it. Same with the drugs, don't take our word for it. A vet will prescribe it and give you extra in the future if he/she feels comfortable with you abilities.

Who are you talking about? Neither pepe15 or I said anything about doing our own fecals, we don't. Neither are we self medicating any dragons, neither of us have any on meds.

It's great that you are trying to learn new things, but I have to add that people stepping above their capabilities can cause a lot of problems.

Once more, who are you talking about? Please reread his post and the entire thread. I answered his questions since no one else answered them for 2 days, about a dragon that he took back to a store several weeks ago and they state may be for sale again. He was asking simple basic questions about a dragon he use to have that was taken to a Vet, proper fecals done there, then returned to the store (or breeder) due to worms and parasites for treatment and the breeder that produced him.

but I have to add that people stepping above their capabilities can cause a lot of problems

LOL, yeah, they can, and confusion where they do not read or understand the posts
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Hey, didn't mean to annoy you two. I cannot remember the frame of mind I was in when I wrote this, so just ignore the parts that bother you and read the advice. If you already have that knowledge, then ignore that too k