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TraceH Mar 23, 2004 01:22 PM

Does anyone know if all the milks in the triangulum complex can be hybridized? I am particularly interested in Central and South Americans.
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1.0 snow corn snake '02
0.1 butter corn snake '02
0.1 anery motley corn snake '02
0.1 hi-red corn snake '02
0.1 CB KY locality corn snake '02
1.1 Texas Baird's rat snake '00
0.1 albino radiated rat snake '03
1.1 tri-color hognose snake '03
1.0 gray banded king snake '03
1.1 albino striped Cal king snake '01
1.1 black milk snake '01&'03

Replies (9)

nategodin Mar 23, 2004 06:40 PM

so what are you thinking of breeding to those gaigeae? Andeans?

TraceH Mar 23, 2004 09:51 PM

Well, I actually wasn't wanting to breed anything to my blacks but I had an arguement that it was possible to breed Hondurans to them. Is it possible?
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1.0 snow corn snake '02
0.1 butter corn snake '02
0.1 anery motley corn snake '02
0.1 hi-red corn snake '02
0.1 CB KY locality corn snake '02
1.1 Texas Baird's rat snake '00
0.1 albino radiated rat snake '03
1.1 tri-color hognose snake '03
1.0 gray banded king snake '03
1.1 albino striped Cal king snake '01
1.1 black milk snake '01&'03

nategodin Mar 24, 2004 08:39 AM

I suppose that might be an interesting experiment, if you wanted to better understand the ontogenetic color change that black milks go through. Would an f1 hybrid turn black? f2? Is the melanism a simple recess

nategodin Mar 24, 2004 08:44 AM

gah

nategodin Mar 24, 2004 08:43 AM

I suppose that might be an interesting experiment, if you wanted to better understand the ontogenetic color change that black milks go through. Would an f1 hybrid turn black? f2? Is the melanism a simple recessive/dominant trait, or is there something more complex at work, as with the "tangerine" gene in hondurans? I guess you could find out the answers to those sorts of questions. There's also a fair probability that you'll just wind up with big, ugly, heavily tipped hondos that no one will want to buy. The real results may not come until the second generation, and since black milks take 3-4 years to mature, that could be a very long-term project. And of course, there's the question of whether to keep them at room temps like a black milk, or warmer like a hondo... that's why I suggested Andeans for the cross, since those have similar requirements to black milks, and a similar size, too. Then again, with hondos, you could start introducing hypo/anery/albino genes, that could be interesting. Anyway, with sufficient forethought and clear goals, I don't think hybridization is necessarily a bad thing... good luck and please think ahead carefully!

SeanSanders Mar 24, 2004 09:13 PM

>>Nate,
I know that it can be done for sure. I have friend Matthew Smith of Dominion Reptiles is breeding hondurans to black milks. He is try to see if breeding an albino honduran will cause a black milk to turn all white. Brian Sharp started the project.
thanks,
Sean

bluerosy Mar 24, 2004 09:54 PM

If you can get a honduran to breed a Florida king (Jurassic Milks) I would guess it would be real easy to breed withing the triangulum complex.

Jurassic Milks =Albino Florida Lemon king X Tangerine Honduran





z10silver Mar 25, 2004 07:46 PM

Wow, what is the 6th picture down of??
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bluerosy Mar 26, 2004 12:58 PM

...amel Florida lemon king X honduran milk. They vary quite a bit. Most of these are litter mates.

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