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Wild Caught Yellowtails Regurgitating Small Rats/Mice

areyoudown7 Mar 24, 2004 03:43 PM

Hello all,

I recently picked up 2 very nice Yellowtail Cribos. I've notice after both my large male to eat Small Rats and my beautiful female to eat multiple large mice; they both are throwing the rodents back up:

I'm puzzled as they ate with no problem the first 3 weeks I got them? In fact I was excited to see the male taking Rats to add weight.

Does anyone have any suggestons? I'm wondering if they might have some viral or some bacterial infection as they are from the wild.

PS Temprature is currently kept between 78 degrees/night - 85 degrees during the day.

Anthony
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Anthony McCray
SoCal/NorCal
Email: areyoudown7@aol.com

Replies (3)

Fred Albury Mar 24, 2004 05:16 PM

Anthony,

Regurgitation comes from a wide variety of factors, but here are a few:
#1) Incorrect temps, temps that are to high, to low or temps that dont allow a snake to thermoregulate and escape them(Whole cage heated to same temp)
#2) Foot traffic: your snakes are wild caught, and are not used to people walking by their habitats day in and day out, also loud music with resounding beats, and alot of light.
#3)Intestinal parasites: More on this later
#4)Lack of hidebox- Wild caught snakes NEEd to hide and left in large open cages with no place to hide often stress out.
#5) Zealous overhandling- Often, when we buy snakes we yearn to handle them daily, before they eat, after they eat, and at all times in between. Newly purchased snakes SHOULDNT be handled in my opinion, especially wild caught snakes. This increases their stress which in turn taxes their immune system.

My advice Anthony, take them both to a vet and get fecal samles and stomach wash done to find out what kind of interanl parasites if any they may be harboring and treat them according to the vets guidelines. This is money well spent. After that try and secure their enviornment to have the correct heat and temps , hideboxes and foot traffic. And dont handle them.

sincerely,

Fred Albury
Aztec Reptiles

PS
Email me: aztecfred@msn.com

areyoudown7 Mar 25, 2004 03:24 PM

Thanks for the advice some of which I'm planning to try. I'll keep you posted.

Anthony
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Anthony McCray
SoCal/NorCal
Email: areyoudown7@aol.com

oldherper Apr 01, 2004 08:08 AM

Anthony,
Fred is absolutely right on all counts. Wild-caught Drymarchon are typically living courses in parasitology, mainly due to the wide varieties of prey items they use. I have a pair of Blacktails that were wild-caught. As soon as I got them I did fecal exams on both. Both had the following:

1. Roundworms
2. Pinworms
3. Tapeworms
4. Coccidia
5. Strongyloides
6. Entamoeba

It took me about 6 months to get these things down to acceptable levels, especially the Coccidia. Any of these can cause regurgitation or vomiting and loss of appetite. It is important to recognize the difference between regurgitaion and vomiting when you are combating this kind of thing. Regurgitation typically occurs with 24 hours or so of eating and the food item will show little sign of digestion. Vomiting can occur up to a week or so after eating and the food item will be heavily digested. Regurgitation will usually indicate a problem with the upper digestive tract, between the throat and the stomach. Vomiting will normally indicate a problem with the lower digestive tract between the stomach and the vent. This distinction can be key in figuring out what sort of bug is causing the problem as some tend to concentrate in the upper digestive tract, while others tend to concentrate in the lower digestive tract. Generally, in cases of regurgitation, I look to environmental problems first such as temperature, stress, etc. In cases of vomiting, I look first at intestinal parasites. One parasitic cause of regurgitaion is a Coccidian called Cryptosporidium. This one is bad, bad news. In snakes it tends to concentrate in the stomach, thus the regurgitation. In Lizards it tends to concentrate in the intestines and will cause vomiting. It is difficult, if not impossible to cure. The normal meds you would use for Coccidians, such as Sulfadimethoxine, seem to have no effect whatsoever. It also can spread through a collection like wildfire...a good reason to quarantine everything for at least 6 months before bringing it into your collection. Crypto is not easily found by normal methods, such as fecal flotations or direct smears unless you are specifically looking for it. It requires a special staining process (an Acid-fast staining) to make it visible under a light microscope and it is much tinier than other parasites you would normally look for.

Fred's advice was sound...all of it. Get a sample to a vet, as soon as you can. If he (or she) does not find anything in a float that would explain the problems, have him do a stomach lavage and check for Crypto. In the meantime, get these snakes away from the rest of your collection, including all cages and furnishings.

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