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Posted by: ByRandom at Wed Mar 31 15:42:23 2004 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

I don't think that much of the responsibility that everyone is so willingly throwing around should fall on Brandon. He's young, he's just a kid. He doesn't know any better. I think the responsibility should fall on the breeder's shoulders, as he is the one that keeps selling Brandon these geckos and giving him the bad advice, as well as Brandon's parents/guardians. His parents/guardians should be the one on the forum trying to learn as much as they can, not leave all of the responsibility to a 14 year old child. This is neglect by them, not by Brandon as he's tried to get knowledge. I think that it is THEIR turn to come onto the forum, ask questions, read caresheets, etc., etc.

If his parents/guardians would take an interest in his hobbies, then maybe these geckos can be saved, other than allowing him to keep buying more and more reptiles, while not knowing their basic care and requirements. I know that he is going to have a rebutle to this, although, this is what I feel. Brandon - Tell your parents to come onto the forum, I'd sure like to have a talk with them.
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Modern Geckos
Josh Ellis
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I agree with him. Only, I has disagree are I am 14 and I do everything by myslef and I just think it is affected by breeder, you always would go atfer larger breeder, who has a lot of experinces of keeping them. I leaned all lesson by myself and I talk to few breeder to get more infomantions 2 years ago and I under what all minior are going through with parent but don't give up. I started at 8 year old and learned alot then I breed them at 11 year old. At first time I don't know thing well but know care. Now, I am on track.
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Preston Berry
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Preston,

I agree that he should have done some research and found out stuff for himself. I'm 16, and I've done research for the past 3 years before I got some Leopard Geckos, and infact, I am still reading as much as I can about them. I just think that his parents should have been the middlemen in this situation, and to do so effectively, should had done some research to make sure that everything was up to par.
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Modern Geckos
Josh Ellis
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That's cuz you're one of a kind
I'd admit i couldn't do the things you do when i was your age. Hell i doubt i could handle breeding geckos now and i'm bloody 22. But not all 14 year olds are as mature, i mean even try reading Brandon's earlier posts, they were impossible to read.
I think we're all concerned for the kid, if anything goes wrong with brandon's leos, who's going to take responsiblity, age does matter. We're just ppl on the internet, brandon, his family and his breeder all have to step up and help him out. I bought a book back in the day and i still read caresheets and read posts on this forum.

I read everything I can about herps whenever I have the chance. I have read my Magazines at least 15 times each and read up on caresheets just to make sure I have the right husbandry for my herps.

-Owen
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

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iv been around reptiles my entire life. like preston i got my own reptile when i was very young. i had an iguana at 7 yrs old. eventually i started getting more reptiles by my self, and not needing my parents to take me to the pet store.but even at 7 yrs old i took care of that iguana my self. if my parents would have known as much as every one thinks the parents should, then id b in the guinnes book of world records. iggy was 8 1/2 foot long. but kno one knew that he was a record setter. but ne way, what im trying to say is my parents never did ne thing to help me, cept for paying for all the supplies, in which i always wrote a list of things i needed. i just turned 20, still live at home, and have a [bleep] load of reptiles, that were never taken care of any one but me.
nevin
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

even if you're young and mature...
can you drive yourself to the vet?
can you afford the vet bills? Heating bills? Food, etc?

Its great that young kids are getting into to reptiles but you're going to need support from an adult, especially in this case, no one is knocking that kids shouldn't have lizards. They're great pets, but ANY pet needs supervision from an adult.

yeah sure, my parents bought every thing, but i was the one that did all they real care. my parents were looking over my bak to make sure iggy didnt take my hand off, the really didnt care much for him. as long as i took care of him they didnt do ne thing to help me unless i needed sumthing
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Sorry i shoulda replied undersomething else

I'm saying in general if you're not an adult, you need an adults help. Parents/adults have a responsiblity. That's why i don't have kids...yet

I agree with you...if a parent gets their child a dog and the kid neglects it and it ends up malnurished or dead...the parents are the ones that get in trouble with the law...its the parents responsibility to make sure that their child is taking proper care of their pets...reptiles included. That's not to say I don't think a child can take proper care of a pet...but that doesn't mean supervising isn't thier parents' responsibility. If a child can't afford a pet...its the parents' responsibility to either pay for it, or make sure it finds a new home...if they don't, and the animal ends up neglected or abused...the law says it's the parents' fault. Actually I think this kinda spiraled here...lol Anyway...I guess all I'm saying is that parents have to be prepared to take responsibility for their child's actions...I don't think a lot of parents out there know that they can end up in trouble with the law if thier child doesn't properly care for a pet.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

it has all kinda spiraled outta control

i certainly don't wanna fight with any of you. especially you--i commend you for trying so hard to help brandon.

i'm not going to post anything more about all this...i've spoken my mind, and i don't need to keep saying it...i think that we both kind of agree on it all anyhow...

...i guess it's all just a matter of opinion...

no hard feelings?

amanda

no hard feelings! I wasn't really disagreeing with anyone...lol I'm not really sure what my point was...lol except that parents MUST be prepared to take responsibility for anything irresponsible that their children may do with thier pets... I definitely think that there are a lot of kids out there that are a lot more responsible than a lot of parents...lol Laws just say that the parents are the actual owners of any pets, regardless of whether it is them or their child that takes care of them, and if something happens to the pet through their child's fault...it's considered the parents' fault. That has nothing to do with opinion...that's law...lol I personally think everyone should be treated as an individual...because there are definitely kids out there that could take better care of a large number of animals than some adults taking care of one animal...I also know that there are kids out there that could never take full care of a pet of any kind. It's really all about the individual...but parents should know their childrens capabilities and be prepared to take responsibility should need be. Anyway...I don't know if that even makes sense...lol Just saying law says parents need to be prepared to take responsibility.

Btw...thanks for commending me for helping brandon rather than just getting annoyed that the threads are taking up space...I really just want to be able to help people... I think the forum would be a lot less...angry?...lol...if the forum was set up like other forums where you have to click on a thread name to see it...that way people could bypass threads they didn't want to read rather than getting annoyed by the forum being "flooded" by a few people. Oh...and I hope there's no hard feelings towards me!!!
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

u guys said stuff that i could do anything about cause i wasnt on here i was doing other things like takeing care of my leos.... i have been checking up on all of them feeding them 2 day is feeding day

since it is going along like a chat room i would suggest email or yall getting msn, yahoo or the likes... all this :drama: is just cloging and flooding the forum and good respondible questions are being passed over.
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-robin struck
R2 Reptiles

what i have to say about this...i dont think it has anything to do with his age, preston is 14..and he knows more about leos than most adults, i got my first herp which was a green ig when i was 4 i had that ig for 6 years from there are had skinks, leos,monitor lizards ect..i do agree with josh that it is the breeder to blame..i think a good breeder should ask a few questions befor selling so they can see if the person buying knows how to properly care for them...and with his parents..i also agree that they should do somthing..

thought u were talkn to me. my fault also.
nevin
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Hey no worries, i shoulda appologized. I'm glad eveyrone agrees on this situation.
And Christina i meant to say this earlier but HUGE applause for helping brandon. The posts started to piss me off but you actually had the patience and kind heart to respond.