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Your opinions wanted (more...)

H+E Stoeckl Apr 05, 2004 07:14 PM

I just watched the TV news and saw that the things in Iraq are getting worse with every day. It is only a matter of days now until the head Mullah of the shiits will declare war on the U.S. soldiers (official or unofficial).

I also heard that he is planning to install a theocracy in Irak.

Bejond all struggles that we had in the past as to the reasons of the war on Iraq I would like to learn your opinions what the U.S. should do now and/or what you think the U.S. government will do.

This thread is not intended to become a heated one but an informative.

Replies (11)

rearfang Apr 05, 2004 08:25 PM

Amazingly Bush just did something I aprove of (SHOCK). Namely...going after the cleric that has been key to causing the latest troubles.

I think what we should do is make a definitive strike at this cleric so they understand the only thing that matters to them...A show of power.

Then we should leave. The Clerics will take over the government anyway, so better they learn the lesson now-than have the USA leave with it's tail between it's legs or waste more time and lives on a situation that has disintegrated.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Fred Albury Apr 06, 2004 02:37 PM

A)Withdraw troops from IRAQ Now. Image is nothing compared to
lives lost bringing"Democracy" to a people that clearly dont
want it.

B)Hand entire thing over to the U.N. to officiate.

C) Elect a new president, to bad Kerrys the only other choice.

D)Reduce aid to Israel until Palestinian homelands and rightto
return can be established.

E)Truly go after Bin Laden.

* I can feel the flames *

Sincerely,

Fred Albury

Fred Albury Apr 06, 2004 03:02 PM

Lastly: Remove economic sanctions that have been imposed on IRAQ.the end reslut of these is suffering for the Citzens of Iraq, not the ruling councils, not the government and not the wealthy.

Thanks,

Fred Albury

tommyboy Apr 07, 2004 12:54 PM

I think it is time to take a page out of the Israeli playbook and deal with the arab problem in the only method that produces results. Call the U.S. and Israel what you like but you cant call them cowards. We dont sneak around and blow up pizza parlors and hotels using brainwashed young people because we lack the courage to stand and fight like warriors. War is ugly, people die. Now is the time to take the gloves off, turn the cameras away, and do what we have to do. Not politically correct but none the less correct.

Tom

greyhound Apr 07, 2004 03:48 PM

I like the way you think.

H+E Stoeckl Apr 07, 2004 04:45 PM

... you should read your lines again:
You talked about Israel. That's a very good example. What did they accomplish? Nothing. They are living in a country where one needs to be afraid to get on the bus or in a restaurant to eat a pizza, or join events with a throng.

So tell me what they did accomplish? They will never win this war!

And don't forget: You were the one who were attacking. And this is the way the muslims are fighting. One could also call it cowardly when the number one military power of the world is attacking a country that is weakened by two wars and 12 years of sanctions.

Where do you see the act of bravery here?

On a side note: By attacking Iraq your country became guilty of igniting a wildfire that will be read in future history books as the age of the religious war of muslims against christians. A war we haven't lived to see since the end of the crusade.

The 21 century will be the century of the major religious war thanks to the U.S.

tommyboy Apr 08, 2004 12:48 AM

Hermann,

Good to see hear from you. Although we see many things the same way I am going to have to argue with you a bit on this one. First, the only reason Israel has not won the war against the terrorist Palestinian state is because of the U.S. and the U.N. not allowing them to go as far as they need to go to finish the job. To me there isnt any difference between Bin Laden and Arafat. Both should be eliminated. It seems to me politics is the enemy here. Because of the worlds dependence on arab oil we have to play nice with the those that finance the terrorists. It is time we end our need for their oil, let Israel do what it needs to do, and support our only true friend in the mideast. The muslims will not stop doing the things they do if we withdraw from Iraq. They will not stop if they are given a state in Israel. They will not stop because they are violent people who want to dominate and impose their will and religion on the world. Again , not politically correct but the truth. For the world to move forward there must be law and order and the time for diplomacy is over. Unfortunately there is only one method that they will respect. Shalu shalom Jerusalem.

Tom

Fred Albury Apr 08, 2004 02:27 PM

The Iraqi revolt against occupation is spreading like
wildfire. The Pentagon is reacting with a
murderous iron fist that is making the popular Iraqi
position increasingly clear to the world: that the
occupation forces are indeed an enemy - not liberators.
In the last 72 hours, as the colonial force attempts to
hold the country in a tight grip, the number of casualties
has mounted, as Iraqi cities are besieged and bombed by
missiles and tanks. Street fighting is raging throughout
the country.

Although an allegation has been made that this is isolated
"trouble" within a "Sunni Triangle," the revolt is in
reality over an entire Iraqi rectangle encompassing nearly
ALL areas - from north to south. Over the past three days,
the previously simmering rejection of foreign occupation
has evolved into a near full-scale revolt that has spread
to many cities in the south of Iraq. All while the U.S.
has implemented collective punishment against the people
of Fallujah and other cities in the central part of the
country

This is where the oil is. Not just in Iraq, but also
throughout the Gulf region where two-thirds of the world's
known petroleum reserves are located. It is where the Palestinian struggle anchors
a populist anti-colonial sentiment, and where imposed
proxy regimes are dependent in their existence directly on
the U.S. In the heart of that region, there is Israel, the
U.S.'s most important ally and power broker, functioning
as a spearhead that simultaneously requires a political,
economic and diplomatic cover and support from the U.S.
Even as our own economy falters.

ABSOLUTE CONTROL Military conrol - over these highly
strategic resources is the key to the exercise of hegemony
in the world capitalist economy. If the United States were
to leave, Japan, Germany, Britain, France would be quick
to attempt to fill the void. Therefore, Bush does not
contemplate withdrawing from Iraq as an option, nor would
it be a considered option if Kerry replaces Bush in
November.And Kerry has said as much, despite rehtoric stateing otherwise..

The Bush gang opted to use military force as a means
of further consolidating an existing U.S. dictatorship
over the region. The project in Iraq was designed not only
to crush the Iraqi government, it was seen as a means to a
larger end. The plan was to build large-scale U.S.
military bases in Iraq, establish in Baghdad the largest
U.S. embassy (more than 3,000 personnel) in the world, and
use Iraq as the launching pad for regime change throughout
the region - the imposition of a true Pax Americana.
Earlier U.S. governments, including the Clinton
administration, also declared regime change in Iraq as the
top priority in U.S-Iraq relations. The Bush
administration, however, saw Iraq in a different light:
that the conquest and takeover of Iraq would be used as a
strategic pivot for the long-term reorganization and
globalization of this region under U.S. authority.

Tens of thousands of Iraqis have died already as their
country was invaded and occupied. It is CLEAR from the
events of the recent days that so many Iraqis are enraged
and disgusted with the occupation of their country that
thousands and thousands of people are prepared to GIVE
their life rather than accept foreign tion.Some on religous grounds, many because their standard of living is so marginalized, due to sanctions enactd during the Clinto era and still carried on today.

The Iraqis are paying with their lives rather than be
colonial subjects. Meanwhile, the young men and women of
the foreign occupying forces, including U.S. troops,
really just want to go home. They and their families know
that contrary to the assertions of Rumsfeld, the U.S.
forces are not considered liberators by the people. This
is the classic equation for an unwinnable war.

In this sense too, the conflict resembles Vietnam.

The actions of Bush and Rumsfeld have created a revolt that
is moving from an embryonic stage to a potential
FULL-SCALE rebellion. Unable to prevent the spread of the
rebellion by other means, the U.S. military is carrying
out more murderous repression against the people, which in
turn will inflame the situation in Iraq and throughout the
region. Under these conditions, there is no actual exit or
withdrawal strategy in site. Even should the U.S. succeed
in outsourcing the occupation authority from Paul Bremmer
to his hand picked Iraqi proxies, there will be no actual
exit of U.S. military forces from Iraq.

Even the phony exit strategy is collapsing as the Pentagon
brass ponders the current need, to send thousands of additional troops to crush a rebellion that has its roots in the anti-colonial
yearnings of an occupied people. Rumsfeld has said
PUBLICLY that he is considering sending additional troops
to Iraq. The Pentagon has relied not only on the
120,000-plus U.S. military forces but, according to
Nightline on April 6, an estimated 10,000 to 15,000 "guns
for hire" - U.S., British and South African mercenaries -
that are now fighting in Iraq under the euphemistic label
"private contractors." Four of these were killed recently, but touted as Civilians.

All is not well,

Sincerely,

Fred Albury

jusmebabe Apr 13, 2004 07:53 PM

1. Israel is on land that belongs to the Palestinians. If the Jews aren't happy leave the stolen land the U.S. helped to take.
2. Give the Palestinians the same weapons and make it fair. Then they won't have to fight with suicide bombers.
3. White European males have stolen and killed everywhere they have been through out history not muslims.
4. People generally fight violence with violence. We drop missiles on their men, women, and children and they kill us when they can.
We invaded Iraq am I correct?
5. Who more violent than white European males who have forced their religion and will around the world since the begining of time?
6. Look on the street one day and see how many SUV's and gas guzzling vehicles you see maybe that'll explain our dependence on Arab oil.
7. To me there isn't a difference between Bush, or Sharon. Should they be eliminated?
8. According to most around the world (except out puppet the Brits) we are the enemy.
9. Law and order means not invading a country when we feel the need.
9. Unfortunately their is only one thing Americans understand TERRORISTS.

tommyboy Apr 14, 2004 01:06 PM

Probably the most ignorant post yet. If you will actually try reading instead of spitting out what you hear on television you would know that Israel and everything in it has belonged to the Jews a "few" years before there even was a muslim. Therefore you cannot steal what actually belongs to you.But I will make this point....again. We cannot stop the crimes of the past but we can stop the crimes in the present and in the near future.

Shalu shalom Yerusalem

Tom

jusmebabe Apr 25, 2004 08:52 PM

Ignorant only because you don't agree.
The only reason the jews can keep the land their on is because of the U.S. Israel is a puppet of this country. Come on now do you think jaba the hut errr ariel sharon could do anything with out us?
The U.S. says leave Arafat alone and who backs off their comments about murdering the Palestinian leader, your weak leader.
Bottom line, jews will continue to be kiiled as long as they continue to occupy land which is not there's and they continue to assasinate leaders of Hamas..

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