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I thought this would be interesting to post this photo of the two reverse stripe Tremper males that hatched last week, and a sister that hatched last night. These babies have the same exact parents... the only difference is that the males were incubated at 88-89 degrees and the female at 81-82 degrees. This might be an example for the argument on the so-called Tremper incubation method.(?)

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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

Is the photo cropped, or is the female that much smaller?

Its funny because I'm responding to you on each of your posts on each site. haha

michael

LOL! The size difference is because the males are a week old, and the female just hatched last night.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

does it have to do with the pattern?
thanx
nevin
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Personally, I do not subscribe to the "Tremper" method, but here is the link to his site wherte he explains it:
www.leopardgecko.com/color.html
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana &sallean
1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Great looking reverse stripes!!!
You gotta love the designer albino. I hope they turn out to have some nice tangerine coloration.
I can remember when I found my first reverse stripe albino in the incubator. Its funny that you can remember 1 little gecko after hatching so many over the years.
I would love to know how many RS you get from your pair! Are they both RS?
I hope you like the eye candy I attached.
Keep the pics coming.
Nicole Elliser
K&N Reptiles

Having a complement like this from you is a great honor! Yes, both parents of these babies are Tremper reverse stripes... as a matter of fact, I am waiting to see what comes from breeding the father of these clutches with an awesome female tangerine stripe I got from you 3 years ago! (I have several eggs incubating now from this grouping). I must admit that seeing these hatchlings for the first time actually made me pull out the digi-cam so I could get some shots to show them off, and I rarely do that!

In regard to the "eye candy"... I have developed a real sweet tooth. I reallywant one of those!!!
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

If they are from the exact same parents why did 2 come out albino and one regular.. From your post it sounds like the temperature incubated can cause a difference??

They're all albinos but the Trempers darken with cooler temps even after hatching. Has anyone ever had any lighten back up?-I haven't. The Rainwaters don't get as orange(yet) but they stay light, even though they vary individually. Those are some mindblowing little guys!!

Although there is a significant difference in the coloration of Tremper albino hatchlings incubated at low vs. high temperatures, I have not found much indication that they look much different as adults. If this was the case, then ALL males would be darker than ALL females simply by virtue of ther incubation temperatures... and we know this is not true. As a matter of fact, there is a discussion on this very subject going on at the "Forbidden Forum" with pics to demonstrate this.

Here is an example of one of my tangerine albino females as a juvenile vs. her current appearance. She is the larger of the two adults, and was much darker as a hatchling than in this photo:

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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

Hi Marcia. The few Trempers I'd had in the past were dark as juvies and got darker. Do you have to keep them warm to keep them light? Once they breed do they turn darker for good? I've been doing SHTCT x Rainwater hets to try to make hybinos but don't know if they'll ever get as intense as some of these new Trempers.

You know, Dan, since I have not kept all of them I really can't say except the female in my comparison photo is on her 2nd laying season, and her orange is still very vibrant... no indication of her getting darker. I have seen a few photos of some of my offspring as adults, and one of them did stay dark, but I don't know how she is housed. I do believe if they are kept warm and on a white substrate, ALL gecko morphs will look brighter and have less spotting.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

There have been many studies that indicate incubation temperatures play a key role in the coloration of Leopard Geckos. Tremper albinos that are incubated for male at higher temperatures are generally much lighter and brighter than females incubated at lower temps.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com