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I'm researching a bit on dart frogs and their husbandry and needs, and have a few questions for you guys...

First off, is Saurian enterprises (http://www.saurian.net/htm/dartfrogs1.htm) a good place to get info? Is it all accurate? Also, have any of you guys ordered frogs from them? Are they as reputable as they make themselves sound? I figure anyone with a website that in depth is not likely to be a sham. It's always worth getting an experienced opinion on, however...

As a starter species, how is Auratus? Particularly the blue morph...They're really cool looking frogs, and the fact that they can be kept in small groups is a big bonus!

Thanks very much for all the help,
Later!

Yes Patrick (saurian entrerprises) is a great guy to deal with. Although I was going to order from him, i changed my mind to morph he didnt breed. But he was extremely helpfull during my inquires. There are many people here whom have ordered from him over the net and have talked/bought from him in person at frog shows. If I had a tank set up right now I would not be worry one bit to place an order for frogs from him.

As for auratus being your first frog... D. auratus is a shyier frog. they tend to hide a lot and are not as bold as D tinc. for example. AA few posts down a user said he can set still for a little while when he enters the rooms and they will start moving around which is some of the only times he sees them in motion.

My blue sipaliwini tincs are very bold. theres always one or tw in the open. If i set down in front of the tank most of them will come to the glass and watch me. A very bold frog.

aj
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How do the D. Tincs do in groups? Would it be okay to keep four of them together in a group in a twenty-thirty gallon vivarium?

Thanks!
Craig

tincs are not a good choice for group frogs. But there are factors to consider. In my case I have a 38 gallon tank with 4 blue sipaliwini tincs whose age ranges from 6-8 months old. I have noticed no hostility yet, but they are still young. Females tend to be more agrressive then males. So it would be better to have a high male ratio then female. In my case i think i have 4 females and 1 male. Although i hope i have more males. Its still too early to say for sure.

Each frog has a different personality. From the info i gathered 4 frogs tincs would be to many in a 38 gallon but i got 4 any ways. If I notice signs of hostility I can always remove one. But i do think 4 would be too many for a 23 gallon. two would work. MAYBE three (again that depends on male to female ratio, personalitys, etc). What is the size of the tank? (dimensions).

If you want a group frog you can always look at some leucs. I personally dont like their color but a lot of other people do. Like im sure some folks dont like blue sips but i do

Also read this from patricks site
http://www.saurian.net/htm/info_frogsingroups.htm

aj
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If you like bold, blue frogs go with the blue azureus. You could probably keep three in a tank that size. They are beautiful in color and mine are out all of the time for me to see. One of them will sit right at the front of the tank. If you plant your tank heavily and give them lots of cover, you will probably see them more. Phyllobates terribilis are another very bold species and I think they do ok in groups.

The information on that website is accurate. It has a few short articles that are well written and informative. I stopped by Saurian Enterprises and picked up 4 new frogs last week. I was surprised to see how large they were. Most breeders sell frogs that are 2-3 months out of the water. The frogs that I picked up, and most of the frogs that he was willing to sell, had to be at least 4 or 5 months old. His collection overall was impressive and well cared for, deffinetly not a "sham."

Auratus are hardy frogs. They are also affordable unlike many other species. They tend to be shy and that is their major draw back. The blue form inparticular has a reputation for being one of the least bold color varients. If you are looking for a bold display frog, you might want to consider tinctorius or azureus. Good luck,
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4.1 Dendrobates tinctorius 'Dwarf French Guiana'
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Thank you all very much for the info...very helpful...I'll continue researching, planning, and saving money for a while (those little guys are EXPENSIVE)...The only big problem left is the decision on a single species! I think I'll probably go for the D. Leuc, the P. Terribilis, or the Azureus...

Choices, choices,
Craig

Here is a link page that has a lot of good info:
Link Page

Benjamin Green
TheChocoHut.com

WOW! This one completely escaped me....awesome resource...thanks!

Gratefully,
Craig