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NY bill licensing pet dealers 25 animals a year - boids classified dangerous

Katrina Apr 11, 2004 10:29 AM

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A09988&sh=t

NY residents, or those that do business in NY, might want to contact delegates now. Boids that attain an adult length of more than 8 feet will be classified as dangerous and the sale banned.

Katrina

"Pet Dealer" means any person, firm, partnership, corporation, or other association which engages in the sale of more than nine animals per year for profit {to the public}. Such definition shall include breeders who sell animals; provided that a breeder who sells directly to the consumer fewer than twenty-five animals per year that are born and raised on the {breeders} BREEDER`S residential premises shall not be considered a pet dealer as a result of the sale of such animals.

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BGF Apr 12, 2004 05:03 AM

This one needs to be fought since the various states love copying each other.

Its ridiculous for thees laws to be put in place since the threat of exotic animals is very very very low, particularly compared to the number of dog attacks daily.

Ciao
Bryan
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Dr. Bryan Grieg Fry
Deputy Director
Australian Venom Research Unit
University of Melbourne

www.venomdoc.com

Katrina Apr 12, 2004 01:10 PM

I'll try to a link to the NY delegates, and see in which committee the bill is sitting.

If you think this is rediculous (don't forget the licensing and inspecting aspect of the bill), there's a bill in NY that would require ALL dog owners in NY to have liability insurance, and anyone selling or adopting out a dog would have to make sure that new owners have the insurance. Risk of non-complince - your dog can be confiscated.

Katrina

Snakes718 Apr 12, 2004 07:09 PM

Hi Katrina
New York state resident here. I have been following
bill # A02684 , which has been floating around for a few years and was recently sent to DEC for recomendation ( regarding the ban of exotic animals). Do you know if this is the same bill ? New bill, same idea ? Any info is appreciated !

Thanks
Frank

harbor reptiles Apr 12, 2004 09:06 PM

It seems they are approaching this from a diferent angle than before. If you read the text to a02684 & s905 it is very similar except in a02684 & s905 they want to ban ownership completely. They have tried unsucessfully to pass these two several times so we must keep the pressure on.

mingdurga Apr 13, 2004 11:18 AM

I would like to see a law passed banning the breeding & selling of all cats and dogs, to alleviate the overcrowding at shelters. You can adopt almost any breed thru rescue groups. The reptile / exotic laws now being proposed are because of a few irresponsible jerks who like to see their names in the papers. I still don't see reptiles of any kind being offered in shelters.
Regarding the new reptile / exotic law passed by the Health Dept. recently. The only expert opinion they sought was the NY Herp Society. That's like asking General Motors for their opinion on car safety.

Mike

mingdurga Apr 14, 2004 12:50 PM

I've e-mailed every Assembly person in the State opposing this legislation. Anyone who cares about this hobby should do the same. A few people can make a difference.

Live long and prosper Mr. Spock. ! ! ! !

Mike

artsnakeb0y Apr 14, 2004 01:45 PM

what are the names, positions and email contacts for the people in question?i'd like to add my input. i'm sure others would too if they were posted here.

theundead1974 Apr 16, 2004 01:03 AM

Hi all NYER here well i work for syracuse university im trying to get the college of law in volved in this....... I will see what happins is there a patition on line that we can signe? if so i have 1,0000's of people who would signe it but i will need the link asap. couse school is almost at an end already....
Clay

Ophiophthalmos May 13, 2004 11:58 AM

You have to understand how this works and why it works the way it does.

The Legislature - ANY state legislature - is dominated by attorneys. Most legislators are lawyers. Lawyers like laws. Laws generate suits and trials, and attorneys make money from them. The more suits and trials, the more money they make.

Consequently, they enjoy making laws. The more laws, the more suits, the more money.

Attorneys in the legislatures are also politicians. Politicians need two things: money and votes. Consequently they are more than willing to enact laws which are being pressed on them by various social advocates or lobbyists. Some of these are justified, in most cases they are not - they merely feed the need of many people to "crusade" to "make a difference" in society.

Currently there is a big push by various animal rights groups to incrementally ban all ownership of "exotic animals". They wish to limit people to pets like dogs and cats which they prefer to term "domestic companions". These people are well-organized, vociferous, radical, and enjoy a lot of media support (politicians like positive media overage also, even if its misguided.) Laws like the kind being discussed here are a perfect example.

The best way to deal with these people - the politicians that is, is through a well-organized drive showing YOU have more votes and can provide more contributions than those people who are pushing these laws.

So, instead of contacting legislators just on an individual basis - which you should do - and preferably by written letter rather than phone calls or e-mails, a far more effective weapon is to organize, get together a petition, have it signed by yourself, the members of any local or state herp society, as many sympathizers and friends as possible, pet shop owners, etc. and then send the petition to the legislators in your state.

Then wait and see how they vote. If they vote for the bill, work for their defeat by campaigning for their primary opponent, registering with their own party and working against and voting against them in their own primary elections, and, should they then get renominated, working for their opponent in the OTHER party in the general election. You can also contribute your time and money to assist those members of the state legislature who OPPOSE this bill and be sure you let them know WHY you are helping them.

But be forwarned, this will take a lot of work in your case. There are certain states like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland, California, where the legislature seems to be dominated by politicians who believe that it is the function of the state to regulate the lives of all its citizens right down to the ver last things each day. Unlike THomas Jefferson, they believe that that government which governs best, governs most.

Which brings up another reason for this kind of legislation - patronage.

When you have a lot of laws, you need more beaurocrats and enforcement personnel to enact them. This means you can provide government jobs to your friends, supporters and campaign contributors. They in turn reciprocate with more contributions.

Democracy is the best form of government, but only if THE PEOPLE make it work and keep a close eye on those rascals in office.

snake114 Jun 27, 2004 07:04 PM

Unfotunately, the law has passed the state Senate and Assembly, and now awaits Gov. Pataki's signature.

Here is a link to view the proposed law: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A02684&sh=t

In order for this legislation to become law, it must be signed by Governor Pataki, which could happen very soon!! If you are a New York state resident, please email the governor as soon as possible, asking him to veto this legislation!! Please be polite and to the point, but indicate the absurdity of banning small, harmless species such as ball pythons and sand boas! These present NO threat to public safety!

Governor Patacki can be emailed through this site: http://161.11.3.75/

Thank you in advance for your help!!

Bruce Lowder
NY Reptile Expo
Link to email Pataki

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