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WHAT IS THIS?

DJW Apr 12, 2004 03:48 PM

I know that this may not be the exact appropriate place to talk about this , but this forum is the only forum I frequent on ks.com , the people who visit this board (you people) the regulars, I consider my proverbial internet friends who's advice I take very seriously and who's attitudes and humor how they may very , I take to heart , so where else would I discuss something like this?

The new "Rhacodactylus: A Complete Guide to their Selection and Care" book, I understand that all the people that poured their
Heart and soul into this publication NEED and must be compensated for all their hard work and effort, and from what I’ve read, it's supposed to be an amazing book ,--------

BUT 40 DOLLARS!!! I feel like I’ve just been slapped in the face! I may be looking at this the wrong way, but what is this?
It just seems that just because it's the first it's being overrated, inflated propaganda even, I’m a young father of two with a thirst for information and
A wife in nursing school, we live week to week and often times day to day, if I can't afford this how can the little boy or girl down the street afford this? It’s b:s: ---

I feel like "they" are trying to take advantage of me with this outrageous price - I have many times paid their outrages prices in this hobby and told myself "quality not quantity" - not this time Advanced Visions ,zoomed or cages by design , my wife and I are not Big name folks in this trade -WE ARE the little people , the customer

this is not directed at the small business breeders , the volunteer conservationist or to the people at the shows that in good faith ran me a deal for that little special snake , that made my daughters face light up with joy , or to rodent pro that gave me a call to make sure that everything was satisfactory when something just happened to go wrong ,
I’m going to stop now and pass the mic, I’d like to hear you folks thoughts on why they are charging so much for this book that will sit on the shelf right next to the bearded dragon manual and the cornsnake manual for a quarter of the price
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Replies (6)

Keith Hillson Apr 12, 2004 04:32 PM

I guess the first thing to establish is as far as pages color pics and sheer info how much more is it then the other 2 books you mentioned ? If its 3 times bigger as far as content if so then I understand the price. If its about the same size then thats robbery. Its funny you mention that book as I was thinking about getting it but I want to at least look thru it before I shell out that kinda cake and see if its worth that price tag.

Keith
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4everherpn Apr 12, 2004 05:26 PM

If many more feel the same as you the price will eventually come down. I think $40 for a book about care of one genus of reptiles is kind of rediculous especially when it is going to be marketed towards hobbyists and enthusiasts. I do not think I'll be purchasing that book simply because it is a bit over priced. I could join the Herp League for $20 more for a year and get literature that is more valuable to me.

I have not seen the book. Even though the cover looks nice, but $40...I'll take a rain check.
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rtdunham Apr 12, 2004 09:16 PM

>>BUT 40 DOLLARS!!! I feel like I’ve just been slapped in the face! I may be looking at this the wrong way, but what is this? It just seems that just because it's the first it's being overrated, inflated propaganda even, I’m a young father of two with a thirst for information and a wife in nursing school, we live week to week and often times day to day, if I can't afford this how can the little boy or girl down the street afford this? It’s b:s: ---
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there are a couple different ways of pricing a book.

one way is to try to estimate what a young father of two living day to day could afford to pay, and then write/produce a book that will come in under that price cap. This is not an unreasonable exercise in market analysis.

another way, often chosen by an enthusiast who's writing to communicate about a subject he cares deeply about, is to write the book he feels needs to be written; illustrate it the way his standards dictate it should be illustrated; and then let the necessary production costs determine the selling price. This is also reasonable if the market can absorb the neceessary number of books at that price.

i know a little bit about this because i've been in journalism more than 40 years and for 15 owned my own publishing company, and I'm the author of two books on finches, books that were published by another company specializing in pet books. that company's motive was profit, so its calculations took into account not only the length of text, but the numbers and size and quality of illustrations, and an additional important factor--the size of the potential market.

I wouldn't know a rhodowhichamacallit if it bit me--perhaps it would. But I suspect there's a smaller universe of people eager to buy a book at any price on that subject, than there is interested in buying, say, your example of a book on corn snakes.

printing production and costs are directly related to quantity--to the size of the press run. By the time color separations are made for each photo, and each page is laid out and prepared for production, and the proper inks put in the proper presses and the press run has begun, and the startup (flawed) pages discarded, more costs may already have been incurred by the printer than he'll pay for the paper to print the next thousand copies. I've been in situations with my company where the first thousand copies of a publication cost the same as the next FIVE thousand copies would cost, if we continued the press run.

So it's a complex issue. Interested people have the option of encouraging their libraries to buy the book, of course. Or the author/publisher could have elected to put together a cheaper book, but maybe you wouldn't have wanted one with a handful of black and white photos. In between that extreme and a production values approximating a coffee table art book, a choice had to be made.

I don't now the circumstances of this particular book. Is the author the publisher, too? Does he make money off each copy sold? (and conversely, does he lose thousands of dollars if he ends up with hundreds of unsold copies?) Or is there an outside publishing firm? If so, does he get royalties, a payment for each book sold? Or does he get a flat fee? When TFH published my first bird book, I worked many hundreds of hours writing it. I took photos and collected photo contributions from others. After the book was published i ran across it in stores across the U.S., and in pet stores in Australia and the UK. I don't know how many copies sold worldwide, but it was later reissued with a new title and cover and slightly modified layout. My pay in its entirety was, I think, between $900 and $1200.

what if the author were paid the same hourly rate, for writing the book, that he/she makes at his/her day job: would you think that warrants increasing the price of the book, if that were necessary to cover that cost? How much is fair for the author to be paid?

It may be unfortunate for some people that a cheaper book wasn't produced. But depending on the size of the market, and the quality of the product, the price may not be out of line at all. Calling it bs is really, really jumping to conclusions.

imho
terry dunham
albino tricolors

northamexotics Apr 13, 2004 10:05 AM

I really wish people that write niche hobby books would take advantage of digital printing. You can get more of a print on demand situation with the same quality (or darn near, IMO) as offset press printing (I used to work for Xerox selling digital printing presses). It would allow for more affordable pricing because publishers don't have to commit to a large run... lets face it, publishers are in a business and they don't want to have merchandise out on consignment that they can't sell. Its a win-win situation, IMO.

How about eBooks (PDFs)?!?!? I would pay $20 for a quality eBook without blinking twice. Thats yet another viable alternative to traditional publishing. Anyone considering writing a herp book would be well advised to consider these methods. Comments? Questions? Recipes for pound cake? =o)

wintermute Apr 13, 2004 02:32 PM

The Ball Python Manual by AVS is 76 pages and retails for $9.00. The Rhac book is 296 pages and $40.00. A little less than four times the content for a little more than four times the price. Its high but I don't think its outrageous. AVS probably figures, rightly, that it wouldn't have anywhere near the sales that the Ball Python, Leopard Gecko or Corn Snake books have, so they are making a smaller print run. The larger your print run, the lower the per book cost.

my .02

rtdunham Apr 13, 2004 05:18 PM

>>my .02

or, if your audience is larger, your .0002 for each reader.

terry

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