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Just a baby, and my god does he play dead with the best of them!! He wriggles around as violent as you could beleive, shaking and coming to a dead stop, it is at this point he sticks his tongue all the way out and doesnt move ....... until I flip him over on his belly anyway ... LOL.

Fun times over, hes resting in his new 10 gallon, Ive never kept a hog before, how easy are they to switch over to pinkies??

Heres some pics ..

OOPS

What a faker!

With the best of them I tell ya ...

why would you want to keep a WC baby? It is so easy to get a good, already eating baby. Have you taken it to the vet for a check up? It's going to cost you in the end.

I would assume it's not easy getting a WC hog to switch to mice. I have never seen a w.hog with a tan belly either. So maybe you should figure out what KIND of hog you have before anything else.
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>>why would you want to keep a WC baby? It is so easy to get a good, already eating baby. Have you taken it to the vet for a check up? It's going to cost you in the end.
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>>I would assume it's not easy getting a WC hog to switch to mice. I have never seen a w.hog with a tan belly either. So maybe you should figure out what KIND of hog you have before anything else.
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Sapphire,

It is clearly an eastern hog, although the original post made no assertion as to its identity so I'm not sure where you got the idea that Ji thought it was a Western.

As for getting cb babies, cb baby easterns are very uncommon in the market and pinkie eating babies are even less common.

Ji,

Easterns can be switched over to rodents with some patience (some switch easily, others don't). Try scenting a few washed rodents with Toad or Treefrog slime (treefrogs are easier to scent with and usually work just about as well with young hogs).
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Chris Harrison

Thanks, the habitat around here, in the areas most hogs seem to pop up ... always consists of sandy dry areas. Toads absoloutely everywhere .... so Ill probably try a toad first since Im certain that they make up a larger percentage of its diet than frogs ... in this area.

However, I do think it is a western, as according to most nebraska (where I live NOrth Platte, Nebraska, Lincoln county) game and parks reports, nebraska reptile info, and in general the distribution charts for eastern and western hognose, the eastern usually doesnt show up here.

I could be wrong, never being interested in hogs before, and from reading several times that the only hognose species in Lincoln County is the western, I just never debated the fact or thought more about it.

But, they could be wrong also .... you really think its an eastern????

n/p

Cool - well, according to the nebraska game and parks commision the eastern's distribution is much farther east, but then again, Im pretty sure the animals dont check in with the game and parks to see where their supposed live .. LOL.

That makes the find even cooler ... thanks guys.

Looks nothing like a western. It doesn't matter what the range maps say, or what anyone else says... that snake is eastern hognose all the way!

jhug

You need to watch your mouth, Im not some newbie here, Ive had 37 different boas at a time, many adults, produced many litters, and in general have had, cared for, and produced many different types of reptiles .... Where exactly in my post did you get the impression I was looking for someone to start playing the high and mighty role??

Ive had many troubled eaters in the past, and its always worked out, but, this being the HOG forum, and since conversation with other people that are PASSIONATE about reptiles is what these FORUMS are for, I figured I'ld ask.

Since these forums are for people that are PASSIONATE about reptiles, and you are here spouting your mouth, I assume your passionate about them also. Soooooooo as a PASSIONATE reptile keeper you mean to tell me youve never kept a WC animal before? Or maybe been running your dog outside through the hills with your little neice, come across a beauty of a little snake (their all beauties) and decided it would be fun to acclimate it, keep it as your own, and tell your neice that it is hers (to get someone else excited about reptiles also - not discourage them ... as seems to be your misdomeanor)- cuz thats the case here.

Not that its any of your damn buisness ....

I love reptiles, always have always will, maybe before you start spouting off your crappy opinions you will think twice next time, Im not some newbie.

Whats that? OH you CARE about reptiles well being and that is the reason for your post? Well maybe you should have asked some questions before you "ASS"ummed that Im some newbie and dont know dick about captive husbandry or propigation for that matter.

For the rest of the forum, and for the thoughtful post down below, sorry for this outburst, I guess it struck me very wrong since I just walked in with my niece and she was very excited to see all the POSITIVE feedback about "her" little jewel.

My apologies to the rest of you and thanks again, these forums can be a great place to learn, share, and make friends .... when the right people attend them.

Thanks for understanding....

I wont respond to any argument you have, I will not sit and argue on these forums, thats not what their for ... but I will defend myself.

Thanks again chrish

I totally agree with you. It's about time someone said something.

that was the most senseless reply to an almost harmless comment. I didn't even see the slightest bit of offense in that previous post...she just asked why you would keep something WC....you could have broke it down for her a little easier than that...and why brag that you've got all the experiance in the world...if it is true what you say then why don't you use your knowledge to aid people into understanding instead of taking a totally childish, immature and unescessarily defensive reply out on someone who may not already understand.

I also don't really care to argue...like you said that's not what these forums are for...they are for knowledgable people (apparently like yourself) to help the "little guys"...and for people to share a common interest in a facinating hobby. So let's all just settle down...i honestly think that whoever previously posted...had no intention of offending you...either way it doesn't matter...think whatever you'd like because in the end the only opinion we all side with is our own.
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True, each and everyone of us is right ... just ask us.

Honestly though, and as I stated in my other post .... I did feel a bit bad for snapping the way I did, just one of those days and it didnt help my niece reading that, I took it as having a negative tone to it, and I still beleive it to be that way, but in my other post I apologized to the board and anyone reading it ... and if the post wasnt meant to be that way then I apologize to the author ... but thats my take on it.

Im not an expert of all experts by any means, and Im in no way a know it all, thats why Im here asking questions after all, but Im not a newbie, questions like "have you takin it to the vet - its just going to cost you" have a negative tone to them and imply that I dont know the least bit about husbandry, without asking questions and knowing anything about me I feel that is just plain rude, and not showing the common curtesy that people deserve.

I didnt ask to get a lecture on the pros and cons of WC animals, I only asked how easily hogs are switched to Frozen thawed. I havent been around the boards in a long time, I left because of all the arguments and bickering, the Very first day I come back and read more arguements (after being gone for over a year) and my very first post I get a lecture and no helpful information from someone that didnt seem to want to help or be excited with me and my niece. Hit me wrong, and yes ... I can admit I over-reacted ... but I cant beleive the arguing still is going on and its rediculous.

Either way, I could have handled it better, and I realize this - I said I wasnt going to post in regards to this, but I agree with many of the things you said .. so in that respect I figured I should, not apologizing for saying what needed to be said (IMO) just for the way and magnitude that I did it in. In the end posts like mine just fuel the aruments and thats not the outcome I would like to see sooooo

there is a bit of posters remorse I suppose... LOL.

..... Can we get an edit feature on this board anytime soon???

j/k

hmm..nice find!...without a black belly...could it be a hypo eastern?

Eric look around on the net or kingsnake photo gallery for pics
of easterns most do have this color belly, of the twenty three easterns i have had or have only one has had any black on its belly most have a ground color to them. This is the only eastern
that had a black belly.

Yup, I dont doubt you all one bit, plus ...... its coloration is different from any of the other hogs Ive found around here, and all of the pics of westerns I see on the net.

Much appreciated!

o...hehe...sorry about that...im a newb when it comes to hogs...only had mine for about a month ....

Most of the ones with black bellies I find are red hogs. Of course, there are exceptions, but especially with extremely young hogs you can sometimes tell which ones have chances of becoming red due to the black belly. I would 90% of the hogs I usually catch have white or light grey bellies.
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Congratulations! he is a beauty. It definately looks like a western to me too. He should be ok with eating live pinkies in his tank for a while then maybe in a feeding tub later on. especially since he is a baby. I have a pair of CB hoggies. They are the best! Next best thing to living in a warm place and catching them myself,, i guess.

cute snake--I'd go with the others and say eastern....doesn't look like my western at least! Love the playing dead-the tongue sticking out is really funny, mine has only gone as far as hooding up and hissing at me once when her tank had gotten too hot and she was uncomfortable. Hope you snappped those pics and now are just letting the snake relax and settle in to its new home at your place-probably not good to stress them too much when you first find them. I've heard easterns are tougher than westerns to get on mice but if you have toads around to help scent I bet it can be done. Might be a good idea to get it dewormed by a vet, since many WC snakes have parasites. Good luck with the little guy/girl!
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as that is a rather text book eastern. A snake that size will not switch to mice easily. It should probably be released. If you have never kept a hognose before either, I definitely would set it free. You are just setting yourself up for a fall, especially when winter rolls around next year and all the toads go under ground.
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I make this post to everyone, whether they have experience or not. Sometimes even the most stubborn snakes can not match an Eastern hogs. I have had some that would take nothing captivity. Not toads, not mice, not fish, not frogs. I tried absolutely everything. And it has probably happened to most people that have kept WC easterns. If you were to keep a WC eastern, it would be better to do so with a newly hatched one. They acclimate much better to a new diet. Many older snakes simply refuse to be switched over, though occasionally they will.
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I never have owned a hog before, and after thinking about it (and bribing my niece with a eastern king that I will keep at my house for her as I was going to do with this guy)I took him back out to the sandhills for release.

Apreciate the input ..

Wow - now I have everyone post shy, I said sorry, LOL - Im really not that bad of a guy, just had a bit of a bad day I guess ... geeze, now I feel dumb

I still feel it was inappropriate, thats not going to change, but as I said above the crap I posted starts the fights that are the reason I left these boards in the first place - my bad.

Hopefully Im not the only one who has done this before, that is, made a fool of themselves in "public" ...

I was just trying to explain the situation. You have no idea how many times I have made a fool of myself (though I don't really think you did). I understand where you were coming from.
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thats good to know ... much appreciated -

Ji

No worries, everyone has a bad day.

There is also no possible way to know who is the expert on so and so snake and who has never even heard of one. I was just making the "base" comments and questions. And I to am sorry if I sounded rude or "know it all" like.

And to answer your question in your reply. No I have NEVER gone field herping, and I have never had anything w.c And I thought that you "Might" have never had a hog before. Mine being CBB was a P.I.T.A to start eating pinks again after I brought it home. So I could only imagine how hard a nearly grown w.c hog would be to switch!

I'm sorry I upset your neice. It IS very, VERY exciting to have hogs of any kind. And I plan on one day aquiring a female to go with my little green male. And maybe one day start producing these little wonderful gems.

So hopefully no hard feelings on either side
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