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Can these two be kept together?

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1.1 Russian Tortoise (Willy & Mikey)
0.1 Ornate Box Turtle (Lily)
1.0 Red Eared Slider (Chester)
0.0.2 White's Tree Frog (Kermit & Phil)
0.0.1 Red eyed Tree Frog (Justin)
0.0.1 Big Eyed Tree Frog
0.0.2 Bubbling Frog
0.0.2 Tiger Leg Tree Frogs (Akari & Shiro)
0.0.3 Amazonian Milky Tree Frogs
0.0.1 Dwarf Megophrys
0.0.1 Rainbow Burrowing Frog/Ornate Hopper
0.0.3 Asian Blue Webbed Gliding Tree Frogs
0.1 Praire Dog (Timmy)
0.2 Chinchillas (Layla & Snickers)
0.3 mice
0.1 dog (Holly)
2.0 Cats (Champ & Bear)

Oh and a husband

Ok,why? Please explain.

I keep a retf, gtf, & tltf in a 40 gallon set up. They have been in there for nearly 2 years & there are NO PROBLEMS. Make sure you have plenty of areas for them to hide...lots of plants. Also make sure you quarantine, have a large enough container & keep the frogs only if they are similar sizes. Other than that there is really no reason not to keep them together, their requirements overlap.

“Phyllomedusa hypocondrialis - Tiger-leg Monkey Frogs - the Northern or rainforest-dwelling Tigerleg (the Southern or Waxy Tigerleg haven't bred for some years; if they do we'll put them back on the page) easy keepers/ easy breeders, can handle it a little on the hotter, drier, bask-ing-er side of rainforest they are nonetheless an excellent companion to Red-Eyes,…”

…“Reach 1 1/2-2". True "monkeyfrog" (people-like) creeping habit, rarely jumping/sticking (like RETF) to locomote. Quiet, clucking call. Very easy to breed producing either taco or cigar leaf-folding nests.”
http://www.mascarino.com/VariousTigerleg.html

Agalychnis callidryas
“Habitat:
This species tends to do better in a community. Tall The Arboreal Tanks are the best bet for these guys. Oh, and also be sure to provide a means for them to get out of the water pond if they fall in. While they can swim, providing a branch or something is generally a good idea.
Read more information on this subject in the Housing Your Pet Frog section.
The temperature should be about 78-85° during the day and about any where from 66 to 77° at night. The humidity should be kept around 80-100%.”
http://allaboutfrogs.org/info/species/redeye.html

“Temperature/Humidity: Red-eyes thrive in a temperature range of 75 to 85F, with a drop of up to ten degrees at night. Humidity is a controversial subject with these frogs. During breeding, they prefer the humidity level around 90 percent, and some hobbyists keep them this moist all the time. Others, citing that the frogs experience lower humidity over much of the year, keep them between 60 and 75 percent relative humidity, raising it during the summer.
Housing: Although Red-eyes do not need large terrariums, they do need tall terrariums. The ideal terrarium would he taller than it is long and wide. A tight-fitting screen top is necessary if you use an aquarium as your cage. To maintain proper humidity, you may want to cover a small part of the screen, but keep a substantial area open to the air. These are not territorial frogs, but they still should not be overcrowded. As a ruIe-of-thumb, house no more than a pair or trio for every ten gallons of volume in the enclosure. The enclosure for these frogs should be quite complex, allowing them to climb, hunt, and hide as they would in nature. This means incorporating plants (live are preferred), branches, cork bark. and a substantial water bowl into the decor.”
http://www.redeyedtreefrog.com/Red-Eyed/red-eyed.html

It is NEVER a good idea to mix species. First of all, even if you have a 40 gallon or whatever it is that is still too confined of a space for you to be mixing species. If you had a greenhouse that is a totally different story. DO you honestly thing that these two species of frogs would live, remain and enjoy living in this tiny area of hte rainforest with some other species of frog. NO.
Also they will look at each other as a threat and food competition, so you can end up with fighting.
Plus Tiger legs tend to be smaller then a RETF and in reality the RETF actually as the ability to eat the tigerleg.
Also if you have housed tigerlegs you will see that they are not the speediest of graceful of frogs and I am sure tha the RETF would out compete them for food.
Finally for a retf, although they like to live in groups they do need a good amount of space about 20 gallon for one add 10 gallon for each additional. So for a 40 gallon you can house about 3 adult RETF. Also the tiger legs require a 10 gallon with 5 gallon for each additional and that is an absolute minimum.
I keep both of these guys and I would NEVER consider housing them together.

So my suggestion is still NO

Christina
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1.1 Russian Tortoise (Willy & Mikey)
0.1 Ornate Box Turtle (Lily)
1.0 Red Eared Slider (Chester)
0.0.2 White's Tree Frog (Kermit & Phil)
0.0.1 Red eyed Tree Frog (Justin)
0.0.1 Big Eyed Tree Frog
0.0.2 Bubbling Frog
0.0.2 Tiger Leg Tree Frogs (Akari & Shiro)
0.0.3 Amazonian Milky Tree Frogs
0.0.1 Dwarf Megophrys
0.0.1 Rainbow Burrowing Frog/Ornate Hopper
0.0.3 Asian Blue Webbed Gliding Tree Frogs
0.1 Praire Dog (Timmy)
0.2 Chinchillas (Layla & Snickers)
0.3 mice
0.1 dog (Holly)
2.0 Cats (Champ & Bear)

Oh and a husband

were addressed in my post. I addressed the frog size issue & the size of the enclosure issues. Please re-read my post. I DO house both of these species, as well as over 20 other species of herps! There are a TOTAL of 3 frogs in my afore mentioned setup. These are not "cramped" quarters, there aren't 15 frogs in one enclosure. If the set up is properly maintained & healthy, similar sized frogs are kept, there is no valid (cite the research) reason they can not be kept together. I wouldn't recommend mixing species such as pixies with, say, dart frogs. (I wouldn't recommend keeping pixies with anything!)

hill4803, sounds like you are an expert, and you definatley know your stuff, so i say yes, you are justified for housing your frogs togther! BUT i would say definatley NOT to someone with any less experence, as they would not know the instant there frog is sick, not happy, stressed ect..so it could very easily end in disaster, they would not have the know how to deal with such a situation. so if you need to come to this forum to ask that question (i.e. you dont know enough about their living needs) then no you should not house them togther...
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Hill:

While yes, TLTFs and RETFs can be housed together in a large enough terrarium by an experienced keeper, the sheer differences between actual ranges and habitats would make it far too difficult for even the average herper.

While the RETF humidity has been hotly debated, they still require a higher level throughout the year than the TLTFs do (since 60-75% for TLTFs is good for breeding, but not year-round). In a large tank, this might be slightly easier to handle because humidity ranges can, and do, fluctuate in a large (say, tall 29 gallon aquarium) setting... creating a mini weather system...

But practically, I wouldn't do it with my TLTFs or RETFs in any of the setups that I have. If I had a truly huge tank... I'd consider it... but nothing short of one of those 2' square, 4' high monster tanks.

I agree that they live under very similar if not identicsl conditions, but having kept both species, I would say no to keeping them together. Tiger legs are not the fastest of frogs and like a previous poster stated, they will get outcompeted for food. Also both are delicate species that are easily stressed, especially the Tigerlegs. Just moving them into a different tank or adding a new frog is enough to make them turn brown for several days, so I imagine fast moving red eyes will really stress them out. Another issue to consider is the usual parasite contamination issues since the bulk of Tigerleg frogs are wild-caught. I keep many species of frogs ranging from White's to Pacmans to Darts, and I am not so much against mixing species, but in this case I would advise against it.